Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[spikerules]

And how much a year does a GPU running 700w cost you? Because heads up it's hardly going to be noticeable.

You obviously don't pay your electricity bill

 

[opethdisciple]

Because £388 for a 144hz ultrawide IPS with Freesync was way too good to pass up for those of us with budgets.

The cheapest Gsync ultrawide is over £700, and is 3440x1440 which really needs a gtx1080 to power properly, adding another £100 to the GPU entry price.

Edit - these two above are clearly far more rational. Good work Shankly and Ayahuasca.

Fair enough. Depends if it was one of those deals which if you don't bite you lose out. Me I like to play my cards once the river card has been seen.

 

[Ayahuasca]

And how much a year does a GPU running 700w cost you? Because heads up it's hardly going to be noticeable.

It's not noticeable if you choose to ignore it but you could be paying anywhere from £50-100 a year for less performance than a nVidia card.

 

[Zeed]

8 month old Pascal Titan with full block for 750 turns out fantastic value

 

[five8five]

Look at the balanced mode GAMING results,so again explain to me why the air cooled RX Vega 8GB in balanced mode is consuming 50W more than the air cooled Vega FE 16GB??

This is the thing - is none of you would even look at that Chinese site even once,when looking at reviews,yet suddenly its the gold standard for stuff?? You are getting overexcited and jumping on the first leaked review,which was published hours before the NDA which everyone else has kept too.

So instead of the cruxification now,maybe wait until 2pm for some other sites to confirm what they have seen. Also,LMAO you lot are looking at 3DMark performance and power consumption - why didn't this site then published power consumption overclocked for a game??

I understand what your saying that it's just one review but it doesn't seem outlandish to me compared to the FE reviews.

 

[ubersonic]

And how much a year does a GPU running 700w cost you? Because heads up it's hardly going to be noticeable.

Roughly £191 a year.

Of course that's compared to the running cost of no GPU, compared to my 980ti it would be an extra £122 a year electric, hardly noticeable.

 

[BenJames84]

Fair enough. Depends if it was one of those deals which if you don't bite you lose out. Me I like to play my cards once the river card has been seen.

I had been researching which ultrawide I wanted for over a year - I would have bought into a Gsync option if it were cheaper, and LG are releasing a Gsync version of this exact panel the LG 34UC89G-B which I would have bought, except it looks as expensive as the Predator X34 which is ludicrous. I would have paid a £100 premium for the Gsync version, but no more than.

I'm a budget and bang for the buck purchaser - so the best value final experience is likely to be a Vega 56 and Freesync monitor, with prices as they are, especially after the ******* miners.

I genuinely wish Vega had far lower power draw, but if it's priced right then the competition it brings will be enough to make me overlook the power draw. I'll play around with undervolting to see how I can maximise power/performance/draw as I typically do with my rigs anyway (not because of the cost, though I do pay all my bills, but because of logic).

 

[nashathedog]

So you mean you're quoting these prices?:



...prices which are the bundle prices deliberately overpriced so you get the money back in discounts off a monitor, mobo and games.

So yeah, that's a crazy price to quote and argue with since the point of the bundle is to overprice the card to discourage miners who wanted just the card but provide a decently priced bundle if someone wanted all that stuff at once since buying the bundle card grants a discount on the other hardware.

Roll on 2pm.

There seems to be a lot of presumptions regarding the Bundles, We know that in the UK the bundle does not include the monitor, Your presumptions seem to be on the card being bought at that price because it's part of a bundle. I'm presuming the price will be the same whether you buy the bundle items or not, I'm also presuming the 2 games come with the card whether you buy a full bundle or not. You're welcome to carry on hoping for a lower price but at this point I think it's clear that the price of the card does not change regardless of whether you take advantage of whatever the bundle offers, The deal from the bundle is that it knocks X amount of pounds of the other items making the whole package look better. But as you said we'll know the truth soon enough.

 

[gthlm]

Actually. 700w running for 8 hours a day at 12p a unit will cost you a noticable £240 a year.

I know you were just responding directly to shankly's claim, with worst case scenario, and your maths is good. But a few points to counter:

1. The only use likely use case for these cards that will see 100% duty cycle is mining. And who cares if it costs them really...
2. If whatever other card you might be using instead pulls about 400W then the difference is 3-4p an hour at full load.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Because £388 for a 144hz ultrawide IPS with Freesync was way too good to pass up for those of us with budgets.

The cheapest Gsync ultrawide is over £700, and is 3440x1440 which really needs a gtx1080 to power properly, adding another £100 to the GPU entry price.

Edit - these two above are clearly far more rational. Good work Shankly and Ayahuasca.

I still have my freesync monitor even though I have a 1080Ti now. Since it is 144hz I haven't experienced any issues and it is very smooth. I might change to gsync if they ever offer 4K, 144hz and 32".

 

[spikerules]

Because £388 for a 144hz ultrawide IPS with Freesync was way too good to pass up for those of us with budgets.

The cheapest Gsync ultrawide is over £700, and is 3440x1440 which really needs a gtx1080 to power properly, adding another £100 to the GPU entry price.

Edit - these two above are clearly far more rational. Good work Shankly and Ayahuasca.

Yes let's all suck each other's pee pee's because two randoms also heavily invested in making a mistake agree with me...

Look let's get one thing right. You have made the decision now and I do not know your finances or will pretend to know your justifications, but you must agree that Vega is a disappointment and that buying a freesync monitor wasn't the wisest choice?

It doesn't matter how good Gsync and Freesync are if your card won't run at the speed of an equivalent alternative and said alternative runs for less money and less power.

Saying all the above, the Vega56 seems to be the ONLY good card to go for if in the Vega lineup, so if you had to buy a Vega (which I still don't think you had to) then you made the right choice there at least.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I understand what your saying that it's just one review but it doesn't seem outlandish to me compared to the FE reviews.

Look I am not going to excuse make for the fact I am disappointed with Vega,and that its late too,and that power consumption is deffo not impressive. Heck I have a GTX1080 in a SFF rig,so unlike others power consumption and TDP are deffo important for me,not to save money or for bragging rights,but since my case would melt!

However,I just think maybe we need to look at a few reviews first to confirm all of this - if an air cooled RX Vega 8GB is basically hitting nearly as much power as a water cooled Vega FE 16GB,with half the VRAM,then it really is sad days!

I really hope the Vega56 at least is OKish:

https://videocardz.com/71953/are-these-radeon-rx-vega-56-benchmarks

 

[TNA]

You obviously don't pay your electricity bill

Depends on how much one games. If 10 hours a week, it is not that bad.

Plus most people will not even OC, so say a Vega 56 (what most will buy) which is 210w, over a year the difference will not be noticeable. Not many people will be buying the liquid one anyway.

 

[Hotwired]

There seems to be a lot of presumptions regarding the Bundles, We know that in the UK the bundle does not include the monitor, Your presumptions seem to be on the card being bought at that price because it's part of a bundle. I'm presuming the price will be the same whether you buy the bundle items or not, I'm also presuming the 2 games come with the card whether you buy a full bundle or not. You're welcome to carry on hoping for a lower price but at this point I think it's clear that the price of the card does not change regardless of whether you take advantage of whatever the bundle offers, The deal from the bundle is that it knocks X amount of pounds of the other items making the whole package look better. But as you said we'll know the truth soon enough.

The bundle cards will always be that price to discourage miners since you never get the overprice back as a discount if you never put the linked bundle hardware in your basket.

It was detailed a while back.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Yes let's all suck each other's pee pee's because two ransoms also heavily invested in making a mistake agree with me...

What on earth are you on about, how am I heavily invested in making a mistake? I don't own a freesync or gsync monitor at the moment or an expensive dGPU.

 

[ubersonic]

Actually. 700w running for 8 hours a day at 12p a unit will cost you a noticable £240 a year.

I got: 700 watts is 0.7 Kw/h, 180 hours a month = 126 KW/h a month, = £15.95 a month at UK average of 12.66p per KW/h, = £191.4 per year.

 

[Zeed]

US amazon Bundle price up
Price: $1,134.97
Get them wallets out Air vega 599$

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074PKVSH9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_JTvKzb3J7428Y[/spoiler]

 

[Hotwired]

Which is why I said even in a best case scenario they're overpriced, take $100 off those bundles, convert to £ and add VAT and you'll see the figures yourself.

Lets do that.

$499 = £384.59
*1.2 = £461.508

Well there we have it, Vega 64 priced at the bottom end of the 1080 range using the quoted figures.

$599 = £461.66
*1.2 = £553.992

And Liquid Vega 64 is still quite a lot less than a 1080 with an AIO on it

Even with these paper numbers there's no basis for claiming overprice.

 

[BenJames84]

Yes let's all suck each other's pee pee's because two ransoms also heavily invested in making a mistake agree with me...

Look let's get one thing right. You have made the decision now and I do not know your finances or will pretend to know your justifications, but you must agree that Vega is a disappointment and that buying a freesync monitor wasn't the wisest choice?

It doesn't matter how good Gsync and Freesync are if your card won't run at the speed of an equivalent alternative and said alternative runs for less money and less power.

Saying all the above, the Vega54 seems to be the ONLY good card to go for if in the Vega lineup, so if you had to buy a Vega (which I still don't think you had to) then you made the right choice there at least.

Way to reinforce your "non-biased" claim with that fatuous and juvenile first sentence.

I think I'll wait for the NDA to lift, for Vega prices to be shown, before I make definitive statements. It does look like the power draw is disappointing. The performance looks fine, as long as the price is. And buying the monitor that I bought, which happens to be freesync, was unequivocally the BEST choice at my price point.

I have said from the start that Vega 56 is the most interesting of the SKUs and the one to consider. Buying the high end Vega and a 3440x1440 high-refresh Freesync ultrawide would probably be worth just getting a Gsync setup, and I nearly went that route. But the £1300-1500 it would cost just looks horrible in contrast to the ~£750 I'm hoping/expecting to pay in the end, especially given how much I would use it in context.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

BTW,has anyone seen how short the Vega56 PCB is:

https://videocardz.com/71958/prototype-radeon-rx-vega-56-pictured-with-three-fans

I suppose another black mark against Vega64 its so much bigger than the Fury X,so at least AMD could sell the size too.