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Messi in an Argentina shirt is pretty average.

So you read that in the newspaper then? Of course Messi ticks with the rest of his team mates but he certainly single handedly wins games for club and Country.

Ronaldo is the same, he scores more spectacular goals individually but he wouldn't of scored all the goals he did with Man U and RM without world class talent around him.
 
So you read that in the newspaper then? Of course Messi ticks with the rest of his team mates but he certainly single handedly wins games for club and Country.

Ronaldo is the same, he scores more spectacular goals individually but he wouldn't of scored all the goals he did with Man U and RM without world class talent around him.

No, I'v watched plenty of games where Argentina have played good teams and he hasn't showed up, whereas Ronaldo in a Portugal shirt is usually the talisman and leader, and more often than not goalscorer/provider.

Not saying that Messi isn't a great player, but he's number two behind Ronaldo in my opinion.
 
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To be honest this argument bores me now. Look up Messi vs Brazil from last year though, also check his stats for Argentina, his goals and assists.
 
To be honest this argument bores me now. Look up Messi vs Brazil from last year though, also check his stats for Argentina, his goals and assists.

That's why I said "in my opinion" every time. I'm not trying to convince you or debate it :P I fully respect your opinion and I can see why he's your (and a lot of people's) first choice.
 
Ronaldo is better in my opinion because he could walk into any team and improve it massively and instantly. Messi doesn't have that quality, he has to have the correct team around him to work his magic. It's pretty obvious when you see them both in international games for their respective teams. Messi in an Argentina shirt is pretty average.

Your opinion is wrong :p.

Messi has the team (at International level) set up wrong, it is up to him to do everything. Hopefully they will get themselves in shape for the up coming World Cup. Testiment to this is basically his one man destruction of Brasil like mentioned. Argentina have a huge footballing history and the entire pressure is on Messi, to not only drive the team on to win things but to do it the way Maradonna did.

Ronaldo (mainly due to half arsed better International coaches) has a better set up around him where they mainly look to use his best attributes.

Messi would walk in to every single team in the World and improve it, he's such a dynamic and smart footballer.
 
To be honest this argument bores me now. Look up Messi vs Brazil from last year though, also check his stats for Argentina, his goals and assists.

Neither of them say much at all, one game is meaningless in the grand scheme of things not least because Brazil aren't currently one of the top few teams in the world and frequently perform poorly. Second, Argentina have a stronger set of players than Portugal. Portugal still play Postiga ffs, vs Mililto, Higuain, Tevez, Aguero, lol, and yet Ronaldo also shows up in more of Portugals biggest games against the harder teams than Messi does.

There aren't that many truly top players around him at Real, just players who have improved since he got there, and continue to benefit from him being there. The defence is pretty terrible all in, great keeper, some incredibly inconsistent playmaker/wingers in Kaka/Di Maria/Ozil, and a inconsistent striker, I wouldn't in any way call it a world class team.

First teams compared, Barcelona stomps all over Real, aside from Ronaldo the entire midfield and frontline is FAR better than Real's, defensively Barca may have issues and no depth, but fullbacks they are better than Real, Pique isn't world class but he's not terrible either, Valdes/Casillas is the only other position Real are better in.

Barca only had a few bad games really, Real had more bad games but more games that Ronaldo dragged them into a win.
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If you look at appearances and check last season you can actually see in a really quite large number of games that Barca drew or lost Messi had 4-8 shots without scoring. In almost all of these games he played the 90 mins, had loads of chances and couldn't find the back of the net, judging by the amount of chances he had in some of these games the team was playing well and getting him the ball infront of goal.

Messi has had an ridiculous goal scoring year, but he had plenty of games with a shedload of chances and that was pretty much why they didn't win the league. Ronaldo was more consistent and had less off games and took a worse team to the title.

If Real hadn't won the title or Ronaldo not been such a massive ridiculous reason for winning the title, sure Messi deserved the award, but Ronaldo did have that good a year, and he was exceptional in the Euro's, and is the only player even remotely close to playing well for Real. Not recognising that Ronaldo was the reason Barca didn't win the title last year ignores that he did more for Real than Messi did for Barca.
 
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Your opinion is wrong :p.

Messi has the team (at International level) set up wrong, it is up to him to do everything. Hopefully they will get themselves in shape for the up coming World Cup. Testiment to this is basically his one man destruction of Brasil like mentioned. Argentina have a huge footballing history and the entire pressure is on Messi, to not only drive the team on to win things but to do it the way Maradonna did.

Ronaldo (mainly due to half arsed better International coaches) has a better set up around him where they mainly look to use his best attributes.

Messi would walk in to every single team in the World and improve it, he's such a dynamic and smart footballer.

Opinions can't be wrong mate. Unlucky fella, try again next time :)
 
Going on from Messi and his remarkable acheivement in the calender year of 2012. Apparently manu acheived their own double in the year that was 2012.. going through the whole of 2012 without getting a single player sent off and also without conceding a single penalty in the year.

just for all you special ********** (manu fans) out there :D
 
City return 900 tickets for the game against Arsenal at Emirates. Tickets were costing up to £62 for the game on Sunday...no real surprise as for the past few yrs Arsenal fans are being charged through the roof to see games. All that money we get from ticket sales and yet we still cannot buy decent players :/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nchester-City-return-900-tickets-Arsenal.html

Ticket prices have only increased so rapidly to keep up with the ridiculous wages thrown around by financially doped clubs, which makes it rather ironic that City are throwing their toys out of the pram about it.
 
Ticket prices have only increased so rapidly to keep up with the ridiculous wages thrown around by financially doped clubs, which makes it rather ironic that City are throwing their toys out of the pram about it.

Indeed but then Arsenal arent paying our player £200k a week or whatever City/Chelsea are dishing out to their players.

So for us to charge £62 a ticket for a game is beyond the realms of stupidity by our board. I could understand if we were winning trophies and paying players over a £100k a week but we arent as far as im aware.

City and Chelsea, clubs that have spent an absolute fortune in buying players dont charge anywhere close to what we charge. Im taking the info from the chart that was posted not too long ago on here....dont recall any of those 2 clubs charging extortionate prices for games.
 
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