The Chip Act USA and the potential unforseen consequences.

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Some of what I type here might not be 100% correct, because the information in China is not always correctly reported and real hard evidence is hard to come by, so if you do know something I don't please do correct me.

From Wikipedia

"The CHIPS and Science Act is a U.S. federal statute enacted by the 117th United States Congress and signed into law by President Joe Biden on August 9, 2022. The act provides roughly 280 billion dollars in new funding to boost domestic research and manufacturing of semiconductors in the United States. The law does not have an official short title as a whole but is divided into three divisions with their own short titles: Division A is the CHIPS Act of 2022 (where CHIPS stands for "Creating Helpful Incentives to Produce Semiconductors"); Division B is the Research and Development, Competition, and Innovation Act; and Division C is the Supreme Court Security Funding Act of 2022.

It channeled more than $52 billion into researching semiconductors and other scientific research, with the primary aim of countering China. The bill passed the U.S. Senate by a vote of 64–33 on July 27, 2022. On July 28, the $280 billion bill passed the U.S. House by a vote of 243–187–1."

Whilst it is difficult to disagree that the repatriation of manufacturing is generally a good thing there has been criticism of the amount of money it is currently costing and the issue of an open cheque book for the future, but that is not the reason for posting here.

The Chip Act requires all US technical personel to return to America or lose their US citizenships https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/14/american_tech_workers_in_china/ this has led to an exodus of the foreign personnel keeping Chinas silicon foundries running and unfortunately for China, they have not been able to produce their own people to replace them - or they would already have done so. Presumably any US production technology will no longer be supported either, and the rumour (because it cannot be accurately verified) is that some if not all of these facilities have ceased production.

I'm sure I'm not saying anything new, that chips are in everything now, even childrens toys, and without their production, manufacturing of consumer goods in China (and possibly elsewhere) will grind to a halt. We are not going to notice this for months in the West, as goods on large container ships are already on the high seas heading to ports where their cargo probably isn't going to arrive on the shelves until next year. There is also an amount of chips already produced, and factories can use these up until they run out of them.

The US is not going to be able to build and equip its own silicon foundries for many more months let alone recruit and train the staff. As a consequence there might well be a supply shortage of many many products in a few months time, because there are no Chinese made chips to populate boards with.
 
It might be the right thing to do, but think of the short to medium term consequences. How many Li ion batteries use a simple chip which won't now be available, that means no laptops, no electric cars, no solar panels or power banks, let alone consumer products like TVs washing machines etc etc.

How many computer components are going to difficult to find because the boards are stuffed in China, how many smart phones ? The list extends to almost everything which has a plug, and worse some car parts which might make it impossible for manuacturers to meet emissions regulations.
 
I think this is conflating different things, Chinese chip manufacturing and Chinese manufacturing of things containing chips.

For example, your phone (say an iPhone) might be manufactured in China, the chips inside it however come from Taiwan.
If only it were that simple. Some chips come from Taiwan, but I'm not convinced they all do, and that's the point, we don't know were all the stuff in products come from nor how intertwined supply streams are.

The point I was originally trying to make is that many products we perhaps take for granted might not be available in 3 months time.
 
Well, how is that example not that simple?

Can you give an example of such a product or tell me when apple started using Chinese manufactured chips because AFAIK they don't ergo it is that simple in that case surely?

Again it seems like you're conflating different things here, I don't think this is unforeseen exactly either, people who *know* their products rely on some Chinese manufactured chips will know this is a potential issue.
Well it didn't take much of a search:

 
More evidence of the effects of the Chip act:


Again the export of technology to China has some understandable reasoning, but it is also going to affect production of many other innocent use products which many readers here will either own or plan to own in the near future, and are not going to be able to buy. I expect we might see power supplies particularly badly affected by this as far as I'm aware they are nearly all made in China.
 
You've a problem with the Chips Act? IMO the US should have done this years ago.

If China is having to hobble their silicon to get it made that is fine by me.

The thread is about the unforseen consequences as opposed to the chip act itself, and that now China can't produce even the basic chips which are used in so many applications. The knock on effect because of the Wests reliance on China is likely to affect many users we might not expect.
 
They can still produce chips. They just can't produce high end chips. Stopping them producing high end chips is a good thing. They've been abusing sanctions on using US IP on chips for their military for years. This act is long overdue.
I think you need to read some of the earlier posts because there's a lot more to you perhaps aren't aware of. The forced withdrawal of technical personnel means the silucon foundaries are inoperable even for low end chips. What's on the ships will take a few weeks to get here, and there is what ever stock they have, once it's gone then we'll notice.
 
Won't it drive China to develop itself? Probably not just going to capitulate are they.
Unfortunately China is likely to look to expertise elsewhere, and there ever so conveniently just off their coast lies the Island of Taiwan with the worlds most advanced silicon foundaries, yes the chip act is in and of itself a good thing, but if as a consequence it starts World War III then maybe not so good.

The other issue as pointed out elsewhere the Chinese would not have allowed US technical people into their silicon facilities if they could have trained their own people to do those jobs, the fact is that they couldn't train their own people and that is why these factories are now shut. so many batteries and solar panels rely on these simple chips that unless the production of these products is also moved to the West we soon won't be able to get hold of them.
 
They already have hired top people from other countries. They hired one of TSMC top engineers and he took his whole R&D department with him which is why their 7nm is copy of the TSMC 7nm.

It has put them back 10 years and that is a good thing.

They aren't going to invade Taiwan for the fabs, apparently there are already plans in place to destroy the fabs if they were to invade so that would make it pointless. If they are going to invade they are going to invade. The only thing stopping them is the terrible cost they would pay for the attempt.

The chip act has meant all those engineers have had to leave China and they don't have the expertise to continue production. BTW if you think the issue with the Chips is bad imagine what would happen if the Chinese decide to prevent the production of medicines or the export of them which the globalists have moved offshore with no short term way to produce those drugs.
 
Those engineers aren't America, they are Taiwanese. Yes all America engineers should have left.

If they want to play that game then we'd bring it back home. China's economy is in the toilet. Their property market has collapsed. They are in no position to hold the West to ransom.

This video is very informative on just how bad things are there.

Yes I know they're Taiwanese, but the chip act is international and applies to them also and they have left China. I understand just how bad China's economy is but ccompanies have been stupid and put all their eggs in one basket and now cannot obtain supplies elsewhere. Take the sensors for the adblue diesel trucks use for emissions, a small part, a fragile part, and thanks to emissions laws the computers managing the engines won't allow them to run if the sensor is faulty. It could be reprogrammed but states like California won't allow it.
 
Protectionism. Could be coal or steel, but now semi conductors.
We trade for a reason.
Protectionism is where a country protects its own markets from cheaper imports, the chip act stops US and allied coutries selling to China on the grounds of military use, so it's more akin to sanctions.
 
More effects of the chip act, although for us it could well mean cheaper prices as sellers are forced to discount product in order to move it with AMD forecasting a 40% drop in CPU sales and others complaining of similar contractions plus the effects of the chip act:

 
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