The EU Migrant Crisis

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Buddy said:
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Nice to see.
 
itchy said:
I will ask this and speak in truth.

Do you really want a mixed and convoluted society of religions and culture?

Do you think that watering down individualistic cultures and society is good?
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I will ask you this and speak in truth.

Do you really think I've never left Norfolk?

Have you been providing for our own homeless and jobless?

Seeing as you ignore everything I ask you this seems apt.
 
Tunney said:
America was founded on the ideal of religious freedom. Most of the western world (if we're talking about European plus places where we've colonised) has been Christian at some point.

To say you need to be Christian now to be integrated is laughable though. Am I not integrated as an atheist?
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America was founded under the basis that different denominations of Christianity would be accepted. Many of the first pilgrims fled to the new world to avoid persecution.
 
Boycey0211 said:
I will ask you this and speak in truth.

Do you really think I've never left Norfolk?

Have you been providing for our own homeless and jobless?

Seeing as you ignore everything I ask you this seems apt.
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1. Dunno.
2. No because am struggling myself.

I don't have it to give, so how can the NHS give what they dont have.

And no I don't claim any benefits whatsoever before you pull that one.

Also what the **** have you and I goto to do with 1,000,000 immigrants knocking on the door, potentially wrecking our way of life? :confused:

People are strange that's for sure. :(
 
itchy said:
Also what the **** have you and I goto to do with 1,000,000 immigrants knocking on the door, potentially wrecking our way of life? :confused:

People are strange that's for sure. :(
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Never mentioned benefits so you can stop trying to paint me with that one.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand its gone full circle, because there aren't 1,000,000 'knocking on the door' and they haven't 'werecked your way of life'.

Next stupid statement please.
 
Tunney said:
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Countries that England have had a war with. Christianity is the religion of peace!
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Just because we were a giver a hundred years ago, does not mean we want to be a receiver now ;) We are not going to roll over and be invaded/colonised/conquered, because we had a few colonies in the 19th century.

Buddy said:
Yeah neither do we
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The trouble is there are muslims, even in this country, that want sharia, and hold hard-line views (death to this, death to that).

You can only say "neither do we" because you don't view these people as "proper muslims". But they are muslims. They call themselves muslims, they go to their local mosque, and they claim to represent islam when they talk.

We see these people giving interviews on TV. The BBC did a group interview with some "young muslims" including a convert not so long ago. Now I'm not claiming they weren't hand-picked for the show, but the BBC does tend to have a very pro-muslim liberal bias. And even on their show, 2/7 of the panel were in favour of sharia in the UK, and even worse, not sure if ISIS was the "true caliphate" that they should follow.


These people exist, they are not camera shy, and they hold by our standards very extreme viewpoints. These are people that were born here, or came here at a young age, and have had every opportunity to integrate. Yet they preferred to stay separate, and value their vision of islam much more than they value western freedom and values.

Now it's not 2nd generation British muslims coming in these waves of immigration. It's people from the ME, where I'd expect the panel to be more like 6/7 in favour of sharia, since that's what they have in their countries of origin.
 
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FoxEye said:
Just because we were a giver a hundred years ago, does not mean we want to be a receiver now ;) We are not going to roll over and be invaded/colonised/conquered, because we had a few colonies in the 19th century.



The trouble is there are muslims, even in this country, that want sharia, and hold hard-line views (death to this, death to that).

You can only say "neither do we" because you don't view these people as "proper muslims". But they are muslims. They call themselves muslims, they go to their local mosque, and they claim to represent islam when they talk.

We see these people giving interviews on TV. The BBC did a group interview with some "young muslims" including a convert not so long ago. Now I'm not claiming they weren't hand-picked for the show, but the BBC does tend to have a very pro-muslim liberal bias. And even on their show, roughly 50% of these people were in favour of sharia in the UK, and were sympathetic with Charlie Hebdo attacks, etc.

These people exist, they are not camera shy, and they hold by our standards very extreme viewpoints. These are people that were born here, or came here at a young age, and have had every opportunity to integrate. Yet they preferred to stay separate, and value their vision of islam much more than they value western freedom and values.
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Saying and acting are two very different things, quite a few people in this thread have said how disgusting they seem to find islam yet I bet that outside keyboard protection radius they are nice as pie to any they might meet.

Hence some might say it on camera for shock reasons, thanking theyre looking hard for their mates or whatever on camera, more so than they actually beleive.
 
Boycey0211 said:
Saying and acting are two very different things, quite a few people in this thread have said how disgusting they seem to find islam yet I bet that outside keyboard protection radius they are nice as pie to any they might meet.

Hence some might say it on camera for shock reasons, thanking theyre looking hard for their mates or whatever on camera, more so than they actually beleive.
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Yup, liberals will justify anything.

That video shows two young muslims saying they'd imprison openly gay people, and non-muslims.

But it's OK, they're just putting it on for the camera.

Do you not see why we despair of people like you? You will bury your head in the sand no matter what. Even when muslims tell you they would fight with ISIS against the UK, you laugh it off.

Brilliant.
 
We also dispair of the basement dwelling cornwaller who paints everyone as liberal (as if its some sort of argument winning quote) for not taking every single situation as black and white.

Oh dear god, two muslims saying they'd imprison a gay person, an entire country full of people does that (*cough* russians *cough*) and we'd have a problem.

Just keep reading the daily mail and telling us all how the country should be run whilst having no positive effect on society. Cheers.
 
Boycey0211 said:
Oh dear god, two muslims saying they'd imprison a gay person, an entire country full of people does that (*cough* russians *cough*) and we'd have a problem.
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Now that isn't true. Homosexuality isn't illegal in Russia. The only way a homosexual in Russia would be imprisoned is if they preached gay propaganda to minors.
 
FoxEye said:
Sticks and stones, Boycey0211. You're just showing yourself up there.
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Nonsense, I'm not the one using a migrant crisis to peddle my anti-islam views.

Tosno said:
Now that isn't true. Homosexuality isn't illegal in Russia. The only way a homosexual in Russia would be imprisoned is if they preached gay propaganda to minors.
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Don't know which way politically amnesty international swing, but here's a link

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/russia-cr...Eg3P055Unl8RtuvPlv5QsRoCXFTw_wcB#.VjayKSv5Pd4

Lets dig deeper, outside of that link

Russia has been viewed as being socially conservative regarding homosexuality, with recent polls indicating that a majority of Russians are against the acceptance of homosexuality and have shown support for laws discriminating against homosexuals. Britain’s Channel 4 aired Hunted, a documentary describing the lives of LGBT residents under the propaganda law and the legitimization of vigilante groups hunting and abusing homosexuals—primarily gay men—in "a wave of terror". Since the law’s enactment, a number of Russian LGBT people seeking asylum in the United States has increased fourfold. However, despite receiving international criticism due to the recent increasing number of social discrimination, crimes, and violence against homosexuals, larger cities such as Moscow and Saint Petersburg have been said to have a thriving LGBT community. However, there has been a historic resistance to gay pride parades by local governments; despite being fined by the European Court of Human Rights in 2010 for interpreting it as discrimination, the city of Moscow denied 100 individual requests for permission to hold Moscow Pride through 2012, citing a risk of violence against participants.
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Oh so some asylum seekers could potentionally be Russians forced out by gay rights, interesting......

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/29/lgbt-yelena-klimova-fined-russia-gay-propaganda-laws

With parents and teachers often unsympathetic or even hostile, Deti-404 (Children-404) is one of the few platforms for Russian teenagers to discuss LGBT issues in a safe space. Nearly every day, young people write in with stories and photographs – with their faces and names often hidden – describing the harassment, beatings and confusion they suffer due to their sexuality.
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Sounds an amazing place to live, glad they dont persecute anybody...

But lets talk about how much we dislike Islam a bit more, without looking east too much eh?
 
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