The Falklands thread

[Muffin`]

No, we are very much involved in fighting a cold war with Iran at the moment, from the use of technological weapons like hacking and so on, to the fighting of proxy wars such as Iraqi insurgency groups. Have no doubts that we have covert operations in Iran now acting against their nuclear sites.

I wouldn't take everything that's happening in Iran at face value, some low level scientists being killed by cude methods? I'd say it's Iran doing it themselves, they get to bang the 'West is Evil' drum but not kill the important individuals that matter to furthering their Nuclear infrastructure.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Most of the US's 10 fleets are 'untested' in battle but I wouldn't want to poke them. The Navy train for this day in, day out, I think they know exactly waht the Argies have, where it sits and what noise the system makes when there's something on it's way. We could argue of 'yes it is' 'no it isn't' all night, but my view is that a nation that's still recovering from economic collapse and dismal funding for it's armed services since the Junta collapsed would not be a match in war, we're in a much stronger position militarily, geographically, economically and internationally.

It's a good point, new systems always have bugs but at the end of the day last time this came around and one of our subs sunk an Argentine ship i suppose that was 'untested too'.

It's an interesting situation for sure, at the end of the day i don't think Argentina are going to shut up till they get knocked down a few pegs again.

 

[SlyReaper]

Oh man we're in trouble if they go for those islands - our poor military has been decimated in defence cuts.

Still shocked they binned the Harriers. That is the CAS aircraft the guys on the ground will NEED over there and they will miss it.

Ive always felt that we should order new-built A-10s. Royal Air Force + GAU8 = BRING IT

Don't be too pessimistic. We still have a navy that is second only to the US. The islands have been heavily reinforced since the 1982 invasion. Argentina's military power is a shadow of its former self, while ours is actually still pretty good.

I don't think we need to worry. The Argies bluster about this every election year, but they know if they couldn't pull it off last time, they don't have a snowball's chance now.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Thinking outside the box, say they go nuts and decide to have a go, who could they call on to help and what could they bring to the table, Brazil the biggest threat?

 

[[TW]Fox]

you know nothing obviously, go and do some research.

Says the guy who didn't know Hong Kong was leased and didn't realise the US pinched California from Mexico?

 

[Slam62]

um no, it was well known long before 1982 that there was a strong possibility of oil in the south Atlantic, why do you think anyone was there in the first place.

Apart from winning the election and regaining popularity Maggie wanted to secure the oil rights.

Were you alive in 1982? do you have any idea what a complete abortion the Falklands operation was.

Look up 'The Atlantic Conveyor' and 'The Sheffield'

Bombing the runway with Vulcans, Sir Galahad in Bluff Cove, do some proper research, don't believe all the Sun reader jingoism.

I believe the Atlantic Conveyor was full of Chinooks that were supposed to carry soldiers across the Island, they were all lost so the soldiers had to go by foot.

If Argentina achieved any significant landing they would walk it now.

Firstly lolslam62

Give up now. Just don't bother posting in this thread, ****. I have never read such tripe!

If you are so fed up of your country, why don't you leave? I am sure the Argentines would love to have you. Please don't use the word "we" as quite clearly your anti British sentiment paints you as some pathetic mouth breathing knuckle dragger who is happy to use the freely handed out benefits while criticising everything.

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go and check out the real world

 

[[TW]Fox]

When the fact is that it would have been a consideration that having the Falklands would entitle us to the exclusive use of seas around them, and potentially help claims to Antarctic resources.

Did we not have various sharing agreements in the mid 90's with Argentina, that they then walked away from?

 

[LabR@t]

I wouldn't take everything that's happening in Iran at face value, some low level scientists being killed by cude methods? I'd say it's Iran doing it themselves, they get to bang the 'West is Evil' drum but not kill the important individuals that matter to furthering their Nuclear infrastructure.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel
Iran lays out legal case for genocidal attack against 'cancerous tumor'

Thats is another festering can of worms.

 

[Slam62]

Says the guy who didn't know Hong Kong was leased?

where did I say that exactly?

if I did it was a mistake.

Chris Patten the ex tory MP took over as governor during the transition period.

and you were not alive when the FW1 happened were you and you know very little about the reality of it don't you?

 

[shine]

Did we not have various sharing agreements in the mid 90's with Argentina, that they then walked away from?

I'm not sure of they have been officially cancelled but were agreement signed throughout the 90's were Britain and Argentina agreed to co-operate around waters in the Falklands.

EDIT: Here are the agreements:

http://www.falklands.info/history/agreements.html

 

[[TW]Fox]

and you were not alive when the FW1 happened were you and you know very little about the reality of it don't you?

Whereas you know all about the reality of it, I guess?

The truth is that actually nobody in this thread knows anything like as much as they think they do about issues like this. There is much we do not and never will see.

 

[SlyReaper]

Thinking outside the box, say they go nuts and decide to have a go, who could they call on to help and what could they bring to the table, Brazil the biggest threat?

Agreeing to an embargo is a far cry from actually going to war. That said, the other South American countries aren't exactly our best pals, and I'm sure they could leave the odd crate of missiles lying around for Argentine military techs to stumble upon. Of course, their biggest advantage is the same as in the first war: logistics. Their supply lines would be short and easily protected compared to ours, so if it turned into a protracted campaign, we'd be in trouble. That's why nobody thought we had a chance of winning in '82.

 

[KatanaDV20]

Don't be too pessimistic. We still have a navy that is second only to the US. The islands have been heavily reinforced since the 1982 invasion. Argentina's military power is a shadow of its former self, while ours is actually still pretty good.

I don't think we need to worry. The Argies bluster about this every election year, but they know if they couldn't pull it off last time, they don't have a snowball's chance now.

Yea I hope youre right! Its just that Im mad that they really went to town on cutting back. Do we have any good defence against those stupid Exocets? Do our warships have those Gatling-type cannons on them like the US has? (Sorry Im not too cued up on Naval stuff!)

 

[Slam62]

Don't be too pessimistic. We still have a navy that is second only to the US. The islands have been heavily reinforced since the 1982 invasion. Argentina's military power is a shadow of its former self, while ours is actually still pretty good.

I don't think we need to worry. The Argies bluster about this every election year, but they know if they couldn't pull it off last time, they don't have a snowball's chance now.

Sorry mate, at the time of the FW1, we had a much larger Navy (Aircraft carriers even, with aircraft)

I believe the Sheffield was state of the art and had the then new Sea Wolf defense system, which didn't work very well did it?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Err, you tell me?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rhetorical

 

[Slam62]

Whereas you know all about the reality of it, I guess?

The truth is that actually nobody in this thread knows anything like as much as they think they do about issues like this. There is much we do not and never will see.

The truth is you know very little, but are prepared to belittle anyone who crosses your path.

How many years after FW1 were you born?

 

[Guile]

I do use my head - may I politely suggest you have your examined by a professional

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/business/energy-environment/17oil.html?pagewanted=all

Yes, Haliburton got some contracts but you think the drilling companies earned anywhere near what big (non-US) oil companies did? It's peanuts.

Look at who really controlled the Bush administration. You think it was really Bush?

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

Iran has not attacked Israel during its 60+ years of existence and Iran even has its own Jewish population. Do these sounds like the people who want to 'wipe out' Jews?

All you are reading is Zionist disinformation - the sort of tripe you will read on the BBC if you have no brain.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The truth is you know very little, but are prepared to belittle anyone who crosses your path.

Are you trying to break the irony meter?

How many years after FW1 were you born?

It makes no difference if it was 6 months or 6 years really, unless you are about to argue that nobody who wasn't at least 18 years old in 1982 is entitled to have a view on what happened.

How old were you?

 

[MacRS4]

As long as the islanders wish to remain British, then there's nothing to discuss

I believe this to be true. Aren't they British Passport holders too? In which case they deserve the same protection as the people of Birmingham.

The idea of Argentina militarily standing up to the Uk is just farcical. They're still a 1980s outfit pretty much and they'd be up against a well funded (more on that in a minute) battle-hardened and experienced active 1st world armed force.

Look at the funding. Sure, there's been cuts - but to pretend that the UK forces aren't a modern 1st world force is just wrong.

Just look at the UK's military budget:

Compare that to Argentina:

Sure the gap is eroded by distance and our current commitments elsewhere - but can you seriously imagine Argentina thinking this would be a fight they could win....?

 

[fadetoblack]

Yea I hope youre right! Its just that Im mad that they really went to town on cutting back. Do we have any good defence against those stupid Exocets? Do our warships have those Gatling-type cannons on them like the US has? (Sorry Im not too cued up on Naval stuff!)

Yes we do it's called Goalkeeper and Phalanx not sure which one is fitted