The Falklands thread

In fact, maybe the oil is just a load of ******, and the long term plan is indeed to sell the Islands to the Argies. We've knocked **** out of them, now we can rip them off aswell.
 
Kristoph said:
I don't really understand the issue with militarization when it's quite clear it's for defensive purposes.

Argentina shouldn't care one bit, unless of course they are seriously planning action.

Do they have any legitimacy in making a complaint to the UN?
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It's massive escalation for them as we've effectively parked a unit more advanced than anything they own on their doorstep. There's not a single piece in their armoury that could come close. Of course it's an escalation, to pretend it's anything else is a bit short-sighted.

It's a statement of intent from the UK, and a 'don't forget who you're dealing with' point for Argentina.
 
The Funktopus said:
Oh that is just adorable.....
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You provided such an amazing refutation of facts. It really made my question my views. Keep up with the insults, kid. You are a real free-thinker.

All the timing is correct from the anti-West (ruled) powers. Iran has sleeper cells in the West. Argentina has to strike when the Brit navy is bogged down in the Persian Gulf.
 
"He's reached rock bottom, now he's starting to dig."

Why would I bother responding to your flights of fancy seriously, when you do the job of discrediting yourself so admirably? I treat the "Zionist" nonsense you dribble with the contempt it rightly deserves, and nothing more.
 
The Funktopus said:
I treat the "Zionist" nonsense you dribble with the contempt it rightly deserves, and nothing more.
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Keep it up - it just makes more people look at your views as nonsense when you give no credibility to your 'refutations'. Refute facts or go home.

To all free thinkers - search "David Duke" on youtube.
 
Guile said:
Keep it up - it just makes more people look at your views as nonsense when you give no credibility to your 'refutations'. Refute facts or go home.
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To refute facts, the whole issue of "Zionists" running the world would have to be 'fact' for me to refute now wouldn't it? Are you really that deluded, or have you lost a bet or something? And yet you accuse me of lacking credibility. Wow, just wow.
 
This is ridiculous. The agantinian claim on the islands is weak and we've tried mediation several time and they refused. They claim the inhabitants don't have the right to self determination because they're not aboriginal. There are no aboriginal peoples of the falklands, and if there were they definatly aren't argantinian. It's clear they're not going to gain the islands by peaceful means so I can only assume they're trying to engineer a conflict which they can then pin on the UK or use it to leverage wider support in the region. There must be someway we can put this to bed once and for all.
 
I do not Argentina could retake the islands on their own, plus I am not sure there is the stomach with its surrounding neighbours for a conflict, while they have banded together to block a ship flying a Falkland flag that is just a bit of political posturing, and if it got to bad I am sure the UK would have no problem helping the FI ships re-registering in the UK.

The Argentina air-force has not really improved since then, plus there are not 4 Typhoons down there, 3 active 1 for spares, and the Rapier which I belive is still one of the most fear low level SAM systems in the world, plus hopefully this time they have not put them on tops of hills.

The 45 is untested in battle, but I will no doubt expect attack drills using the Typhoons.

The biggest issue with the 45 and I am not sure if this has been fixed is anti-ship missiles. While it may have all the toy's to shoot down aircraft, I am sure on the last testing it was said in theory we can shoot down a supersonic anti-ship missile but we are not going to test for it.

Kimbie
 
Stretch said:
This is ridiculous. The agantinian claim on the islands is weak and we've tried mediation several time and they refused. They claim the inhabitants don't have the right to self determination because they're not aboriginal.
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Which is a hugely ironic position to take given the decedency of the Argentinians!
 
They are just bad losers, they do this every so often when their polls plummet. Stir up a bit of nationalistic fervor to make them sound like the dogs nuts then quietly whimper and go hide when anyone actually mentions following through on their threats.

Pity their footie team isn't as useless as their government and armed forces :(
 
I'll just leave this video floating around.


End of last year i was down south on a MOD jetty looking at 4 of these moored up, it's really not something i'd want to poke with a stick.
 
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/

This is big big news over in the Argieland. It seems to be all they talk about!

Fortunately they aren't all completely barmy because:

"Radical Party lawmaker Oscar Aguad showed differences with the leaders of the UCR that attended to President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner’s rally at the Government House, and said it was a “staging that does not help the aim to recover the Malvinas.”"

Still even he used the word "recover" as though they once owned them! :D

I guess by militarisation they meant the 4 Typhoons and a Type 45 destroyer, oh and one Prince charming? More "outpost" than "militarisation". We ain't using it like the USSR once used Cuba. It's all just a little bit too much for their small insular minds to handle isn't it!

They also have 2 prominent headline and positively toned articles on there about our Royal family. So they are slating us publicly over the Falklands, but then still privately enthralled with us.
 
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The problem is that's more advanced gear than Argentina could dream of, perhaps the penny has dropped that we won't take any **** this time.
 
I tell you the best thing that could happen right now is some Argie fishermen get into trouble at sea. And our Prince charming flies out to rescue them.

Maybe then they'll understand in their thick heads that he isn't there in a military capacity but, effectively, in a humanitarian one. And maybe just maybe they'll stop viewing us the "evil British Empire".
 
I think our position is absoulty right.

UK Foreign Office said:
The people of the Falkland Islands are British out of choice. They are free to determine their own future and there will be no negotiations with Argentina over sovereignty unless the islanders wish it.
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dbmzk1 said:
I think our position is absoulty right.
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Whilst obviously that is correct I think it is actually the wrong message to be sending out.

That's why we aren't getting through to these people. They view us as warmongering and aggressive in nature. They don't care about the Falklands people at all. They don't view them as Falklanders like us i.e. a separate colony, they view them as British. So the whole thing about self-determination is lost on them. They don't understand the principles behind colonisation as they've never done it and their recent attempts at doing it (with the Falklands) have been laughably bad.

It is also slightly arrogant to say that IMO because we know the Falklanders are more patriotic about being British than even we are in the UK. We're relying on their patriotism to send diplomatic messages. One wonders, hypothetically, if this patriotism were to be lost or significantly reduced for some reason; would we still be sending the same message? Or would we actually then consider letting the islands go? I doubt it.
 
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