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The thing is, these player issues aren't a quick fix. They're on long contracts and big salaries. Realistically I think the club will have to subsidise a lot of the wages to get rid of them, and write it off as a loss.

I think we're all pretty squarely behind Amorim, but I do worry about his complete refusal to change system. I initially supported Amorim in this, but has there been a successful manager in the PL era who has refused to change his approach? Pep has kept adapting Man City, Klopp was pragmatic at Liverpool in the early days, and Fergie loved a parked bus with Park Ji-sung man marking someone.

It would be fine if there were signs of progress (things weren't too bad initially), but I don't think the 343 is going to suddenly click with our current players...
 
booyaka said:
Would be interesting to see if Sancho returns to United under Amorin... Crying out for creativity in the midfield/forward area's
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No thanks.
He's in with the JLINGZ, Pogba, Rashford instagram crowd. He'll fall out with Chelsea as soon as his deal becomes permanent -which relies on them finishing above 12th or similar.
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It was always a risk bringing in Hojlund, someone better/established needs to be bought. At least if you're scoring you can try to overcome the defensive errors. If you can't score and end up making a lot of defensive errors you end up in a relegation battle :o
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We don't create chances for strikers. You could have prime van Nistelrooy struggling for a sniff in this team. Hojlund's chance conversion is pretty good but he just doesn't get chances and his all round hold up play is less than average (largely determined by his poor first touch). Much more concerned about the wing back position - that's what is neutering our play. Dalot and MAzraoui are not wing backs. Malacia is not a wing back, Antony is not a wing back. Only Amad gets it.

I don't fear relegation. We will have too much and I reckon we will start to pick up some results now he has a bit more training pitch time. This squad is weak but lets not forget it was good enough to win two cups and finish 3rd. Yes a lot of the squad aren't top quality but they are almost all internationals and capable of a lot more than we are seeing at present.
 
Calpol said:
Much more concerned about the wing back position - that's what is neutering our play. Dalot and MAzraoui are not wing backs. Malacia is not a wing back, Antony is not a wing back. Only Amad gets it.
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Surely the world class management team knew this before they hired Amorim?

Calpol said:
I don't fear relegation.
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If it gets rid of the Glazers then I welcome it. Drastic measures. Hopefully the players are good enough to make it out of the EFL!
 
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sigma said:
Surely the world class management team knew this before they hired Amorim?
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Rumour is that he was considered as part of the process in the summer but dismissed as the current squad didn't fit the playstyle of Amorim. Make of that what you will - it's either
1. Gross incompetence to then hire him 4 months later
or
2. A commitment to a long term transformation regardless of short term consequences

Perhaps that's why Ashworth left?
 
Calpol said:
Rumour is that he was considered as part of the process in the summer but dismissed as the current squad didn't fit the playstyle of Amorim. Make of that what you will - it's either
1. Gross incompetence to then hire him 4 months later
or
2. A commitment to a long term transformation regardless of short term consequences

Perhaps that's why Ashworth left?
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You can only assume #2 is the case. I get the impression there was some disagreement around ETH between Berrada, Ashworth & co in the summer when they'd only just officially joined. It was quite clearly the wrong decision to stick with ETH and ultimately Ashworth has taken the fall for that, but I doubt we'll ever really know exactly what happened.

Berrada has likely pulled rank and appointed Amorim with a view to really backing him from the summer onwards. I'm sure they would have hoped for an upturn in results but the quality of the squad is quite poor and confidence is in the gutter - it's so difficult to fix that especially with 2 games per week. Hopefully the schedule will settle down a bit after next week. Liverpool and Arsenal are likely to be two tough results we'll have to take on the chin.

Jason Wilcox seems to have an awful lot of influence, is he best in class? I'm really not sure.

The one unknown element is that Ratcliffe might be interfering with the footballing side of things, and he seems perhaps a bit volatile...
 
While there are definite legitimate concerns, it's too early to declare INEOS a failure.

The various cuts at the club do look harsh, but it's currently a failing business losing a lot of money. Sadly the main issue - player wages - can't be addressed in the space of 6 months.

They clearly made a mess of the ETH situation but the one mitigating factor is that the new CEO/DoF/etc hadn't officially started when the decision was made. Ashworth's abrupt end also looks bad, but he was just at odds with the CEO. They hadn't worked together before so it's perhaps just one of those things...

In honesty I don't feel all that hopeful with INEOS, and they can't really afford any more mistakes now. Everything will be meaningless unless they nail the recruitment side of things, not straightforward... they're going to have to look for highly promising players from teams that will accept lower transfer fees. Signing players from the PL will be a non-starter due to the PSR situation.

If they'd appointed Amorim in July and spent £200m on players for his system, that would have been interesting.
 
So yesterday it was being reported we wanted to keep Maguire but were trying to negotiate a lower salary.

And today: Ruben Amorim has revealed Manchester United will trigger the option of an extra year in Harry Maguire's contract.

Hmm. I don't mind Maguire really, he's done OK.
 
Yeah, but he’s not first choice, so should be nowhere near the wages he’s on. It’s not going to set a good example for negotiations etc going forward if you do that. I get we need ‘leaders’, but meh.
 
I'm fine with him staying for another year if its on a lower wage.

So can an extension be with a reduced salary? I would have assumed it would be the same.
 
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