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Awesome. Let's all just find infinite money cheats for every game we play, just so we can get end-game content right away and also so we don't have to worry about being unskillful or making mistakes...
It's sad.
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For me, it's just quickly rectifying a large loss, not all of which was (IMO) my fault but also isn't a straightforward squawk to FD tech help, either.
Once I'm back to where I was, I'll likely go back to bimbling about the galaxy again.
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Awesome. Let's all just find infinite money cheats for every game we play, just so we can get end-game content right away and also so we don't have to worry about being unskillful or making mistakes...
It's sad.
Why are you so worried about it? it doesn't really affect "your" game does it? so what someone wanted a corvette/conda they got one and any player that has the skill or has done it the hard way will probably kill them easily anyway.
Where's the end content anyway? I don't really call a ship or grinding end game content.
That's the problem with the game there isn't any content apart from the grind apart from exploration which is what I do.
literally every part of the game is some sort of grind which doesn't bother me and doesn't stop me playing it but do I care people stack missions up to get to a point in the game they feel happy with. nope not at all fair play to them I say. Where I am I haven't seen a player for 3 months since I arrived so it hardly bothers me that someone in Draconis is flying a ship you think they shouldn't have.
It's what I liked about EVE , if you could think of someway to cheat/scam/steal within the EULA it was accepted and somewhat applauded, that game actually wanted you to think outside the box and if a new player scammed an old player out of all his cash then he was congratulated as he/she have should have been. Why grind if you don't have to?
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Worried? Who's worried?
I just expressed my opinion. I find the fact that most of the last few pages of this thread are people talking about exploiting the game to satisfy a need for instant gratification, very sad. Call it what you like. It's exploiting and I find it sad.
I wasn't looking for people to justify themselves, nor for an argument on if it's justified by the way Frontier have structured their game. Just expressing an opinion.
*Edit* - It's nothing like EVE, at all. Anything that allowed the exploitation of game mechanics was jumped on quick by CCP. Sure, that's Frontier's responsibility, but that wasn't the point of my comment.
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wow you have a very short memory indeed
http://kunochan.com/?p=90
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=228822
http://www.alteredgamer.com/eve-online/44082-scandals-that-rocked-the-world-of-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/
https://slashdot.org/story/07/05/26/0016226/yet-another-eve-online-scandal
And thats only the PUBLIC open domain **** that comes up on the first page. Eve is a cesspit worse than Mos Eisley haha and the developers wallow in it and encourage or participate in it themselves.
Bastions of Light and Virtue they are not lol
Fair enough. However, I am progressing along fine without exploiting or playing as though it's a full-time job....as are others, I am sure. I don't feel the need to have everything this instant to enjoy the game. Some do and so they cheat the system.
As I said, this wasn't about an argument, about flame-baiting or pointing fingers. I just find exploiting somewhat pathetic. Some don't. Hey, look! People have differing opinions on a forum! Who would've thunk it!
Yeah but no one caresold man
Not sure how you came to be the voice of the masses or how you arrived at the conclusion that I am old, Mystic Meg, but I have been around long enough to know a troll when I see one. So, if you are unable to muster up anything more than personal goading, you may as well ignore me and remove yourself from what is a completely reasonable discussion, based on a completely valid opinion. Y'know....seeing as you don't care and all...
*waves*
If people find an exploit, fair play to them. I have done my fair share I guess of that by obtaining ranks by switching game modes and donating funds, seeking goods back and forth to make 500K every 5 mins ish, stacking delivery missions from CEOS/Sothis. I have put my fair shift into the game and know what is what and have no issue with people doing things like that at all and crack on I say.
The first article, the subsequent forum link and the final link are in relation to devs using their powers to give others an in-game advantage. However dispicable - and I was somewhat on the receiving end of that debacle, btw - Not sure how that relates here.wow you have a very short memory indeed
http://kunochan.com/?p=90
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=228822
http://www.alteredgamer.com/eve-online/44082-scandals-that-rocked-the-world-of-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/
https://slashdot.org/story/07/05/26/0016226/yet-another-eve-online-scandal
And thats only the PUBLIC open domain **** that comes up on the first page. Eve is a cesspit worse than Mos Eisley haha and the developers wallow in it and encourage or participate in it themselves.
Bastions of Light and Virtue they are not lol
The third link is about in-game scams and corp/alliance infiltration. Not sure how much EVE you played, but that is EVE and that's part of what makes it the experience that it is. Players cheating and being cheated by other players. It isn't, however, the same as exploiting game mechanics to cheat the system and make a fast and easy buck. So I don't see the relation to players exploiting poor game mechanics 17 Draconis.
The fourth link, titled The Day That EVE Died, is about the devs introducing micro-transactions and about Incarna - a walking in stations module that was poorly implemented and eventually scrapped. Again, not sure how that relates here...?
We're talking about people using exploits to gain credits at an accelerated rate. My point about EVE was that CCP were quick to jump on and holes that would allow players to exploit the game itself. Of course, the responsibility here lies with Frontier and they don't seem to be doing much about it. That's a seperate point, however.
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Fair enough, Gregster. I haven't pointed any fingers or criticised anyone. Just stated an opinion.
Seems that exploiting in gaming is more accepted than it used to be and my opinion on it is now one of the minority. Fair enough. Each to their own.
People turn a blind eye to exploiting to rank up or get money. These exploits have been around for ages and never been patched so i dont think the devs care
But actual cheating, like invincibility or unlimited energy is another matter
But actual cheating, like invincibility or unlimited energy is another matter
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I play casually and don't give anything about rushing etc.
Has taken me a lot of time but I enjoy the ride. Yes just had my first ship replacement, I have basic module etc, but the game is vast and I like to explore it on my own pace.
Has taken me a lot of time but I enjoy the ride. Yes just had my first ship replacement, I have basic module etc, but the game is vast and I like to explore it on my own pace.
Awesome. Let's all just find infinite money cheats for every game we play, just so we can get end-game content right away and also so we don't have to worry about being unskillful or making mistakes...
It's sad.
Indeed - I hope Frontier do something about these exploits and missions in general. I know they have had several attempts at balancing the mission reward system and lets hope they get it right soon.
If Elite: Dangerous was a single player game I would kind of agree with you but it isn't. Sure some people play in Solo and others play in private groups or Open play. These money "exploits" become a problem when players use their ill gotten gains to gain an advantage over other players in Open play.
You've now got hundreds of players flying around in "end-game" ships where if the game was balanced there would only be a handful of them.
Comparing this particular exploit to EVE, I'd be amazed if CCP would let something like this go on after it was brought to their attention. You've compared it to scams an actual role-playing within EVE and not an "exploit" as such. Here are some proper EVE exploits which were patched by CCP and the offenders were banned from the game, no warnings, no second chances, IMO how it should be.
https://www.engadget.com/2008/12/11/rumored-four-year-multi-trillion-isk-exploit-in-eve-online/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3z93ek/so_someone_found_a_really_nice_gecko_exploit_one/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/drone-exploit-notification/
Using your analogy why is infinite credits obtained through an exploit using mission stacking not a cheat such as invincibility / unlimited health or energy?
And saying the devs don't care is a guess on your part - they have actually been trying to balance the mission system. Not so many weeks ago they made a change which reduced payouts slightly too much and the forums were on fire until Frontier addressed it in a patch. There are so many bits of the game currently being developed that perhaps this has been placed to the side whilst they try and complete the next expansion. Or maybe it is part of a more complicated fix which requires considerable dev time to fix.
Someone has actually taken the time to report it and Frontier have indicated that they are investigating -
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/311160-17-Draconis-exploit
To reiterate I don't have a problem with people cheating / exploiting in single player games or solo mode. But it provides players in multi-player and Open mode an unfair advantage - using your own words -
"always something to do, having loads of credit means you can have fun without worrying about insurance with the ship you dream of"
A player in Open mode will take greater risks knowing he has an almost infinite supply of credits vs a player who has a limited supply.
The key thing here is that ED is a sandbox. It is up to the player to determine how they play, what their goals are etc.
So I choose to play CMDR RichKid, my billionaire father left me more money than I could ever spend so I bought an A grade cutter and swan around the galaxy laughing at the plebs in their cobras. That is a legitimate 'career' choice.
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is clever is in that the choice of some players to exploit the money making inbalances has minimal effect on those trying to do it a different way.
It took my months to get my 1st python. Yet hours to earn 500,000,000 credits on 17 Draconis. It's my choice.
I'm going to go and look at some sights next, some alien ruins, maybe go and find a nebula or a black hole. Still so many things I want to do in the game.
So I choose to play CMDR RichKid, my billionaire father left me more money than I could ever spend so I bought an A grade cutter and swan around the galaxy laughing at the plebs in their cobras. That is a legitimate 'career' choice.
Where E
is clever is in that the choice of some players to exploit the money making inbalances has minimal effect on those trying to do it a different way.It took my months to get my 1st python. Yet hours to earn 500,000,000 credits on 17 Draconis. It's my choice.
I'm going to go and look at some sights next, some alien ruins, maybe go and find a nebula or a black hole. Still so many things I want to do in the game.
regardless how many credits i have, i'll always be careful as im a tight ass
The key thing here is that ED is a sandbox. It is up to the player to determine how they play, what their goals are etc.
So I choose to play CMDR RichKid, my billionaire father left me more money than I could ever spend so I bought an A grade cutter and swan around the galaxy laughing at the plebs in their cobras. That is a legitimate 'career' choice.
Where E
It took my months to get my 1st python. Yet hours to earn 500,000,000 credits on 17 Draconis. It's my choice.
I'm going to go and look at some sights next, some alien ruins, maybe go and find a nebula or a black hole. Still so many things I want to do in the game.
I got nothing against the way you guys want to play the game - but if you want to do this then it should be in Solo only IMO. the Open mode should be balanced so that no one player has an unfair advantage.