***The Official Guitar Thread***

So, my teenage daughter helpfully propped my Tanglewood Odyssey against a REALLY hot radiator in the house. It was there for an entire day.
Shockingly out of tune when it had cooled down, but now sounds better. What's going on?
 
So, my teenage daughter helpfully propped my Tanglewood Odyssey against a REALLY hot radiator in the house. It was there for an entire day.
Shockingly out of tune when it had cooled down, but now sounds better. What's going on?

Yep there's a number of things that can occur:
* thermal movement - each wood piece expands and contracts in line with temperature, in the extreme it can cause the wood to warp or buckle, irreparably.
* humidity movement - each wood piece expands and contract in line with humidity in the air and in the wood, unless water damaged or completely bone dry causing cracks/seperation this normally is reversible. This can be 4-8% change!
* glue joints can move / slip and sheer with extreme heat.

The effect of temperature and humidity can bend/warp woods but when they're in a guitar that expansion/contraction can cause necks to bend/bodies to bend etc. Extreme change of length etc can split the wood along the grain if there's too much difference. The good news is that typically a guitar can return back to normal but it may take some time.

What I would do is put the guitar in a normal temp room with normal humidity (possibly put a damp rag in the same room but not on the guitar). The wood will then absorb moisture from the air naturally (it may take a week or two). If it doesn't then it may need to go back to a Luther for assessment.

Acoustics do have a truss rod, but in the case of humidity change like this I would leave it for now, let the guitar rehydrate a little and then look at the situation which may mean some adjustments. As long as the neck/frets are positioned correctly (no warping or neck angle changes) then it should be adjustable back.

I have an acoustic I left in the attic (Art and Luther Cedar in a hard case) not thinking about the oven it would be come during summer. The result is the glue has separated the bridge, the scratch plate has moved and the neck has warped with a chance that either the body warped or the braces have separated from the top. I've read of people doing the same by leaving it in a car. When I have the time I will reseat the bridge (it's shifted forward) and sort out the neck), I may even have a go at the braces inside to optimise the tone (the braces seem scalloped to design and not to the unique wood response).

Making the guitars, I take it slow on purpose. I leave the wood to naturally release the stresses that can be exposed when cut. The 2.,4m plank of maple lived in our house for 3 months along with the other woods to acclimise to where they'd normally be. From that 2.4m length only about 1m remained stable and didn't warp or bend (due to grain orientation). That section became the neck though on the two guitars (along with other woods - the same approach being taken for them too). Good mass produced guitars should be more stable (choice of grain orientation, wood cut and attention to stability), but this is why I avoid new cheaply built guitars that don't tend to be as stable.
 
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So the sides are glued to neck and tail blocks :D but I managed to carve part of me yesterday, so today I managed to bend ONE of the solid linings (of 8). They're thicker and so take more time. Tomorrow I'll crack on make the next three. I'll then glue those in.

Update: one glued in.. 4 G clamps and 48 pegs (each with a elastics band wrapped 6x around to add clamping force).
I’ve bent a second but using all the clamping on one lol. Tomorrow will bend and glue another.

Update 2: second one gluing in today.. also pre-bent the next. It takes at least 1h30 to bend just one of these strips, go too fast and it will snap or burn, then 12-24h to fully glue.

Update 3: third one gluing in... next one will be the first attempt at bending (which is a bit of a break massacre). Now I have more understanding and experience, I'll return and patch that one up (it will have a second over the top of it so it's not too much of a problem overall). It feels like the mould would be the only thing holding the thing from exploding into bits, but in reality once the glue has dried it's pretty much shaped.. although you need to be careful of the ends. If I can get this fourth done tomorrow and some side bracing in, then I'll be happy - the next four I can do after xmas if needed.

Update 4: fourth one went in. I'm now putting in some side braces. The idea of these is that if the side splits along the grain then it will find it difficult to split further than one of these braces. It also adds vertical stiffness to the sides too. I've glued in 7 but I have 4-6 to glue in after (lack of clamps with long enough reach).

Update 5: all the vertical side braces are now in/gluing in. Got to wait till tomorrow to do anything more to it given the number of clamps blocking access lol.
 
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Now booked in for a consultation / MRI for my wrist issues. It’s been months now and I pretty much daren’t even pick up a guitar =[

I just goofed around with chords for 15 minutes last week and it was agony for days. Something is terribly wrong.

So yeah, that pedal board is getting a lot of use :rolleyes:
 
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It’s been months now and I pretty much daren’t even pick up a guitar =[
Having found a use for my interest in guitar playing very late in life, and some (very) small skill as a performer, this is my worst nightmare! Everything else is falling apart at my age, it sometimes seems, but if my hands/wrists/arms start acting up (again), it'll be a massive setback. I can only imagine the frustration you're feeling. Hope you're able to get some answers and relief in the New Year.
 
Having found a use for my interest in guitar playing very late in life, and some (very) small skill as a performer, this is my worst nightmare! Everything else is falling apart at my age, it sometimes seems, but if my hands/wrists/arms start acting up (again), it'll be a massive setback. I can only imagine the frustration you're feeling. Hope you're able to get some answers and relief in the New Year.

Cheers mate. Yeah it is absolutely rubbish. I’ve had to have surgery on my arm recently from ‘too much exercise’… this crap body can’t keep up with my determination :(

Everyone reading, please take any wrist pain very very seriously and rest!!!

Sorry for the whinge posts. Last whinge… going to get my custom order guitar and won’t ever be able to use it at this rate… ffs!
 
Yep get better soon.. I have all the pain of a dislocated (slept on it) thumb joint but not the same as RSI/tunnel which I've had too. Currently also nursing a elbow after cracking that on a corner.. it's been over a month and that felt like something had cracked etc.. getting better slowly.
 
Nobody was interested in the amazing offer IK Multimedia had with their products like ToneX Max, AmpliTude and 49 other things i got free with just one purchase.
You all missed out on one of the greatest deals I've seen in my lifetime.

I was thinking of learning guitar after the new year and this would have been a great deal! shame I missed it.
 
Some guitar deals I came across recently -

Guitar Pro 8 + Mysongbook 1 year subscription, currently on sale and you can also stack the promo code WELCOME and you get both for around £54.38

IK Multimedia bundle on humble bundle, not as great as the groupbuy and only has se versions of some software -


Cubasis for ios is currently on sale 40% off and they recently added a suite of guitar amp and fx which I think are free with the update.

 
I've glued in the 5th lining (first of the second linings) and bent the 6th. I can't move the mould and I only have enough clamps and pegs for one lining in gluing. So tomorrow will glue the next, mount the mould verticle and then bend the next two ready for gluing..

In the interim, it turns out I have some money for xmas so my budget had just gone up a little. I still had about £50 of the budget left, so this additional will pay for me to DIY wind my own neck pick up :)

To give you and idea: https://www.electricherald.com/pickup-winding-guide-part-i-approach/

I found a place that sells 7 string bobbins for humbuckers and wire. I can make a make shift winder using a servo motor and Arduino, so that's relatively easy.

My thinking here is making a closed top (ie silver looking) neck humbucker. The idea I'm thinking is that I will grind down the depth a little so it will mount at the end of the neck. However there's impact in sound vs all the variables.

The current solid body has high output (14K on the neck) Alnico humbuckers which are heavy by themselves. I think for this build I'm looking at around low 8K and with Alnico 2 or 5 (the alnico numbers don't define a scale of strength as you'd expect). Then there's the wire thickness/insulation, the pattern of wire wind, etc. Another option is to remove the bar magnet and use magnet pole slugs which give a different tone too (traditional humbucker tone is a bar and metal slugs/screws, vs fender single coils being pole magnets and no bar etc). A further option is to cut down the things slightly to fit in.. still doing the maths on that.
 
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