The start of some thing good

It would promptly put me out of business !!

Ah I know this isn't GD but claimed. (Welcome to OCUK Outcast :D )

With respect to the original post, yes please, £150 laptops running linux would be a dream, very very usefull. However the masses would in all likelyhood not look apon them with anything more than novelty value. (A bit like the eee :( )

Where's Internet Explorer, MSN messenger. what's this Pidgin thing and what the hell is open Office. etc etc etc....
 
I think this might be the start of some thing good .

When industries start to take hold, you generally see a flury of different concepts and ideas. Then after a while different companies merge others go out of business and the market takes shape. We are seeing this with the broadband industry.

In the last year I thing I have seen more pre built Linux devices than ever. With he notable exception of Dell/Ubuntu most of these are not from the main Linux Distroes. It may very well be that this is what spins Linux into the big league, I just won't be the big league you may have expected a few years back.

I predict we will see more and more of these sorts of things then in a few years some sort of defacto standard Linux will appear. May be it will be one of the current big boys and maybe it won't.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Linux in Tesco either as they are already going to stock Dells and Dell ships with Ubuntu if you want it, so if there is any demand there is no reason for Tesco not to stock Linux PCs.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see Linux in Tesco either as they are already going to stock Dells and Dell ships with Ubuntu if you want it, so if there is any demand there is no reason for Tesco not to stock Linux PCs.
That would really help it to become mainstream. Tesco is absolutely huge - getting this kind of stuff on their shelves would be a real coup. For every £8 spent in the UK, £1 of it goes to Tesco, which is a phenomenal amount really.
 
Problem is that 90% of PC users know little to nothing about linux, I am computer savvy and have tried Linux but always return to windows. Why?

Because its what I know and it plays all my games. I would love to get into linux but there are so many distros out there, there is very little info for the absolute beginner that is easy to follow, especially if that person is brand new to PC's.

Linux is seen as the geeks option, I will be getting into it properly this year but for many its a leap to far.

Until its taught in schools and there are many decent user guides and the linux community can try and develop some sort of unity in their distros it will never become mainstream.

Imagine joe bloggs pops into tescos and sees a £150 PC, he buys it because he has used a PC at work and wants to get online at home. He gets it home, unpacks it and loads it up only to face a desktop (if it gets to a GUI & not a command line) that he has never seen before. He will click about for 5 mins trying to figure out what is going then pack it up and return it.

If a major PC seller sold PCs with one well known user friendly distro and had an indepth user guide for complete noobs thrown in then it could be very big indeed.
 
Imagine joe bloggs pops into tescos and sees a £150 PC, he buys it because he has used a PC at work and wants to get online at home. He gets it home, unpacks it and loads it up only to face a desktop (if it gets to a GUI & not a command line)
Why wouldn't it get to a desktop? Do you honestly believe that a box which is pre built for the consumer market and bought from *Tesco* wouldn't be taylored for Joe Bloggs??

If a major PC seller sold PCs with one well known user friendly distro and had an indepth user guide for complete noobs thrown in then it could be very big indeed.

what... like this... or what about a user guide?
 
Why wouldn't it get to a desktop? Do you honestly believe that a box which is pre built for the consumer market and bought from *Tesco* wouldn't be taylored for Joe Bloggs??

Always expect Joe Bloggs to be able to mess something up. Of the few distros I have tried you have a choice on booting up whether to go GUI or command line. People who have no clue about PCs wont know what to do.

what... like this... or what about a user guide?

Its all very well you linking to user guides, but how the hell would someone who has never used Linux before now how to even get online in order to read them?

Taken from the dell link you provided:

You asked, we listened. For advanced users and tech enthusiasts, we’re happy to offer a new open-source operating system, so you can dive in and truly enjoy a PC experience just the way you want it. In addition to the FreeDOS systems we already offer, we are proud to announce PCs with Ubuntu.

For advanced users and tech enthusiasts - that's the kicker right there, linux is not for people new to PC's. Hell, I bet 50% of the population don't even know what linux/unix is!

My point stands, until Linux is taught in schools or has great free/cheap noob manauls it will never become mainstream.
 
Always expect Joe Bloggs to be able to mess something up. Of the few distros I have tried you have a choice on booting up whether to go GUI or command line. People who have no clue about PCs wont know what to do.

With a properly configured distro this is not an issue?


Its all very well you linking to user guides, but how the hell would someone who has never used Linux before now how to even get online in order to read them?

Again it's no more difficult that with windows? Most windows boxes come with a 'Getting Online' Doc or booklet, why would a Linux pc be any different?

Taken from the dell link you provided:

For advanced users and tech enthusiasts - that's the kicker right there, linux is not for people new to PC's. Hell, I bet 50% of the population don't even know what linux/unix is!

My point stands, until Linux is taught in schools or has great free/cheap noob manauls it will never become mainstream.

But here I do have to agree in part. Linux will always be looked apon as an enthusiasts/experts OS. In reality it isn't much harder to learn than Windows, but since it is, as you state, never taught in schools, and because the vast majority of people 'grow up' using windows it's looked apon as 'Geeks only'. (There are however many very good free manuals from n00b to expert.)
 
With a properly configured distro this is not an issue?

Again it's no more difficult that with windows? Most windows boxes come with a 'Getting Online' Doc or booklet, why would a Linux pc be any different?

For us its not, but I fix PCs for friends and tbh, ARRGGHHHH! :D They may use PCs but know nothing about them. I even had to help setup a colleagues wifi router as, although bright could not follow instructions!

But here I do have to agree in part. Linux will always be looked apon as an enthusiasts/experts OS. In reality it isn't much harder to learn than Windows, but since it is, as you state, never taught in schools, and because the vast majority of people 'grow up' using windows it's looked apon as 'Geeks only'. (There are however many very good free manuals from n00b to expert.)

Linux, from the little experience I have had with it is an amazing OS regardless of which distro you use and I can see it in the future becoming popular. Especially when schools start seeing linux PCs being sold a hell of a lot cheaper than windows ones. I still think it will be another 5-10 years before its huge.
 
I guess this is why Microsoft is so keen on keeping their stranglehold on which OS is used within primary and secondary schools. Get the kids hooked when they're young and you'll keep most of them for life. They're the crack sellers of the computing world.
 
Linux, from the little experience I have had with it is an amazing OS regardless of which distro you use and I can see it in the future becoming popular. Especially when schools start seeing linux PCs being sold a hell of a lot cheaper than windows ones. I still think it will be another 5-10 years before its huge.
The school market is a difficult one for two reasons. First, you have naysayers who assert that since Windows/Office/Visual Studio/Photoshop is used on the vast majority of corporate desktops and as such they should be teaching the students using those tools. Many Linux advocates and enthusiasts counter this by claiming that students should be taught how to think for themselves when using a computer, so that knowledge does not go out of date when the next revision of Office is released. The other end of that is that big companies and education establishments alike like to have a warm, fuzzy guarantee that promises support if the **** ever hits the fan. Linux has vastly fewer salesmen coming around, telling computer admins and their bosses about how excellent the lastest versions of everything are.

The old saying about hardware is that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." Likewise, nowadays, as far as software is concerned, nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft.
 
linux is not for people new to PC's.
Why? Linux is no harder to learn how to use than Windows - assuming that you are new to computers. If you start on one and move to the other, it's a lot harder as you almost have to "forget" what you've already learned on the other platform.

Hell, I bet 50% of the population don't even know what linux/unix is!
I would also bet that a substantial proportion of the population don't know what Windows is.
 
Why? Linux is no harder to learn how to use than Windows - assuming that you are new to computers. If you start on one and move to the other, it's a lot harder as you almost have to "forget" what you've already learned on the other platform.

It may not be harder IF you have never used a PC before, but chances are you would go with the crowd and get a windows PC purely because you know someone that can help you and teach you the basics. Many people have had some brush with windows in their lives and would automatically get one with windows for at home.

You have also got to consider the lazyness factor of the population. We want to learn linux because we understand the power it has as an OS and the benefits of the open-source community. A lot of people would just think screw it, they know one OS why learn another.

I would also bet that a substantial proportion of the population don't know what Windows is.

I bet there is a lot more people that know what Microsoft windows is rather than linux. Just saying Microsoft would be enough for people to make the link to computers.

It would be nice to see Readers Digest and Which? getting behind linux and writing some of their noob guides like they have for windows.
 
I would also bet that a substantial proportion of the population don't know what Windows is.

Your right, when I installed Vista, my wife decided it was crap. Why? because Excel didn't display vertical lines. It was actually the same Office 2003 version of Excel, I had previously installed on XP and was a graphics issue. The point is she didn't know where Windows finished and Office started.

People will just use what is put in front of them. I bet most people don't think that hard about the OS on their phones. If a PC does everything you want then who cares what the OS is.

If browsing the internet and using email is really all you do then an enlightenment pc will do.

If you want play games you need Windows for the time being, or a console. If lots of these cheep machines are sold then there is a chance that a games market will develop for them. There is after all a market for crap games on mobile phones.

The other main stumbling block is the apps, OO.o and the Gimp may be as good in some peoples eyes. But if you want use Office and Photoshop you can. If its not made for an OS then you can't use that OS. Again though if the demand is there then MS and Adobe will make the products for Linux as they do for Mac OS X.
 
I bet there is a lot more people that know what Microsoft windows is rather than linux. Just saying Microsoft would be enough for people to make the link to computers.
That wasn't actually my point - there is a substantial amount of pc users who cannot tell the difference between Microsoft Windows and Office or even Internet Explorer - and don't care! So long as they have a box that does what they want it to do, they're happy.

The vast majority of home pc users want the machine for accessing the internet. If Joe Bloggs buys a pc from Tesco with linux pre installed - it will be configured for ease of use out of the box with Firefox / Opera / $OTHER_FREE_BROWSER installed - removing the main obstacle for new users to linux - namely installing and configuing it. Getting to know the OS would be an after thought (if at all!)

Obviously, anyone wanting to game should buy a windows box at the moment... but that's a different story.

It would be nice to see Readers Digest and Which? getting behind linux and writing some of their noob guides like they have for windows.
I have to agree with you on that one :)
 
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