The Tesla Thread

You can really tell that they have pulled all the feedback from the S interior and sorted it all with the 3. But on the flip side it shows the S really needs a face lift inside.
 
Glaucus said:
why would it go through the roof, and it hasnt. model s and x are the same.
you still have the contextual wheels on the wheels steering to do a lot of stuff.
there's also the ota updates where less physical stuff the better, and these cars are designed in the longterm in mind and drivers driving less and less.
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The whole point of buttons is so you can press them while still looking at the road. It becomes natural after a while. Having to navigate through several sub menus to just start the demisters is just asking for trouble in my eyes.

Door handles on the thing is a similar story would hate for it to be bucketing down with rain trying to open those quickly.
 
adam cool dude said:
Having to navigate through several sub menus to just start the demisters is just asking for trouble in my eyes.
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Have you looked at the M3 screen? There is a big dedicated button at the bottom on the left side near the driver. You wouldn't even need to look at the screen to press it after awhile just like a physical button.
 
adam cool dude said:
The whole point of buttons is so you can press them while still looking at the road. It becomes natural after a while. Having to navigate through several sub menus to just start the demisters is just asking for trouble in my eyes.

Door handles on the thing is a similar story would hate for it to be bucketing down with rain trying to open those quickly.
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lol, so carrying on with unfounded nonsense.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Have you looked at the M3 screen? There is a big dedicated button at the bottom on the left side near the driver. You wouldn't even need to look at the screen to press it after awhile just like a physical button.
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It's not though is it as a physical button means exactly that. It can be felt with touch you cannot do that with a screen.

b0rn2sk8 said:
Its like someone thought about using it when they designed it.....
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Or they just wanted to reinvent the wheel.
 
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adam cool dude said:
It's not though is it as a physical button means exactly that. It can be felt with touch you cannot do that with a screen.
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How is it any different to the 1/4 sec glance you do in your mirror? You almost certainly do that naturally when you press a physical button to make sure you actually hit the right one. The button doesn't move or change so the same 'muscle memory' will apply. There is no difference.

The one thing that is universally loved on a S and X is the 'screen', the flexibility it gives, easy configuration of the car and the OTA updates that constantly make it better.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
How is it any different to the 1/4 sec glance you do in your mirror? You almost certainly do that naturally when you press a physical button to make sure you actually hit the right one. The button doesn't move or change so the same 'muscle memory' will apply. There is no difference.
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Try use any touch screen when going over a rough bit of road with one hand on the wheel. A physical button is much easier to feel and use on a center console without taking your eyes off the road. That is fact.

I am not against integrating car functions into one screen but integral functions should still be physical it's pure ergonomics.

Jonnycoupe said:
Or pay for or tool up proper switches.
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Amen
 
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Does anyone understand the implications of the latest budget on EV's?

Specifically the benefit in kind on company cars? As I understand it, since the budget as long as you charge the vehicle "at work" there is no benefit in kind to pay at all?

I'm director of a limited company which is registered to my house. So if I was to buy one through work - I think I could charge it at home and not pay any personal tax for owning it? Also I would get 100% allowance against my taxable profits on the first year of ownership due to Enhanced Capital Allowance?
 
There is one reason Teslas don't have much switchgear, and that is that switchgear costs many many times more than adding more buttons to a screen. You also don't need to hire switchgear engineers to develop them. The OTA updates meaning you can update the buttons is just a convenient kicker. Also it makes Tesla look cool for sticking two fingers up to the normal way of making a car. Even wiper controls are in the screen on the model 3 because they've costed everything out of it. No one can say that's better than a physical switch. Well you can, but you'd be wrong.

Other car manufacturers have kept their switchgear for reasons outlined above - usability. Tesla is not sticking it the establishment by doing this, they're just stripping the complexity out of the interior which enables them to develop a car faster. And to hell with usability and passenger convenience.
 
It has auto wipers, so depending on how good that system is you might not need to use them much.

Having said that I do use my screen wash a lot, especially in winter so that is definitely something that wouldn't be as convenient.
 
Nasher said:
Would you risk buying an old one out of warranty in 8-10 years time? How much would it cost to replace dead batteries?
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That largely depends what the options are. Nobody really knows yet, as the batteries are still under warranty and cell prices are still falling.

Having the battery refurbished (dead/damaged cells replaced) by an independent specialist could be quite reasonable. Having the battery refurbished by Tesla, less so. And having a whole new battery from Tesla could be rather painful. Even at $100 per kWh, a P85 is using $8500 worth of cells, plus the battery casing, plus labour, plus the standard eye-gouging you get with main dealer repairs on premium vehicles. I doubt you'd see much change from $15k to be honest.

Hopefully there's nothing stopping independent garages refurbishing battery packs. Replacing half of the cells in a P85 shouldn't cost more than £6k-£8k.
 
Yeah, it is a bit mental. Should make for an interesting depreciation curve on EVs.

Doesn't seem to be having much affect right now though. You'll struggle to find any EVs for under £5k (unless, paradoxically, they have a battery lease attached).

adam cool dude said:
It's not though is it as a physical button means exactly that. It can be felt with touch you cannot do that with a screen.
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People said similar things about virtual keyboards on touch screen smartphones. I've just touch typed this entire message without looking at the screen. No edits were made afterward.

Not that I disagree with the point. Physical buttons would be better. But I don't think the screen will be that bad either.
 
Touch typing on a virtual keyboard is easy because the buttons are in the same place on every device, it's just your thumbs moving a short distance, and most auto correct. You have to admit that's a bit different to an entire user interface with 10s of different screens, and doing it at arms length in a moving car!

There are guidelines for automotive user interfaces that have not been passed into law yet. Tesla is pushing it tbh, and soon there will be strict laws on this I believe. I work in this field.
 
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