The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

g67575 · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:00

Sargatanas2511 said:
They didn't. The 6800XT had nothing, the 6800 had Smart Access and the 6900XT had Rage + Smart Access.

ok, my bad, ill take another look...

K1LaW8tt5 · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:00

tommybhoy said:
It could but why would they if Nv never paid for RTX in those titles?

who knows maybe it wasn't by intent or maybe it does run,we have to wait until some reviewers get their hands on them to check it out.

Bluntwrapped · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:01

Not sure if I’ll be able to make one of these fit in my SFF case.. hope the AIB cards have regular two slot options.

Grim5 · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:02

Kelt said:
Nice to see AMD not skimping on the VRAM like Nvidia, but the price rises from both companies are not good to see.

AMD obviously seeing what exorbitant prices people are paying for Nvidia GPUs and wanting in on the action.

Except the skimped on the VRAM type, not quantity. They used a small 256bit bus with half speed GDDR6 modules

g67575 said:
Gotta say, dont like how all the benchmarks included the Smart Access tech, its falsely represented the situation a bit in my view. You might still be better off getting a RTX 3080 for example, or 3070, if the performance is the same or better to a similarly priced RDNA 2 GPU without upgrading your CPU.

AMD is doing well though ofc, so not meant as a criticism really.

Fully agree, reviews will show this. If these cards lose significant performance when you don't have a 5900x to pair it with, reviewers will shred AMD for claiming its faster but only for some people

M1k3H · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:02

looking good. Might go for the 6800 plain as opposed to the 3070. More VRAM and slightly more performance, for a bit more money.

KentMan · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:05

muon said:
AMD cards are better for mining.

Previously yes, i have a sneaky suspicion these wont be all that, mining is heavily slanted towards memory, these are running gddr6 as opposed to gddr6x in Ampere.

Ontop of that i dont think the cache will have any impact on mining, so RDNA2 cards may well be inferior to Ampere, and then add in power consumption and these could well be not very efficient.

Radeon VII still the king of mining and i dont think that is likely to change

muon · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:06

KentMan said:
Previously yes, i have a sneaky suspicion these wont be all that, mining is heavily slanted towards memory, these are running gddr6 as opposed to gddr6x in Ampere.

Ontop of that i dont think the cache will have any impact on mining, so RDNA2 cards may well be inferior to Ampere, and then add in power consumption and these could well be not very efficient.

Radeon VII still the king of mining and i dont think that is likely to change

RDNA is already better than Ampere for mining on a hashrate/watt basis. 2 x 5700 XT is better than a 3080 (where both the 3080 and 5700XT are power optimised).

Joxeon · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:07

gettothechopper said:
6800 seems sweet spot for 1440p 144hz and looks to be faster than 3070 for same £££ (unless you can get a founders but good luck with that) and x2 the VRAM!

You would be naive to think OCUK wont also raise the prices on navi cards.

For reference this is what the RTX 3070 pricing started out like so be fully prepared to see similar mark ups on RDNA2.

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KentMan · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:08

muon said:
RDNA is already better than Ampere for mining on a hashrate/watt basis. 2 x 5700 XT is better than a 3080 (where both the 3080 and 5700XT are power optimised).

Yes because of Amperes power draw, and take it from me, i know how good RDNA1 is, i have 6 x 5600XT Sapphire pulse bios modded setup hitting 43mhs each

muon · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:09

KentMan said:
Yes because of Amperes power draw, and take it from me, i know how good RDNA1 is, i have 6 x 5600XT Sapphire pulse bios modded setup hitting 43mhs each

So its not exactly getting worse with RDNA2 now is it.

Hotwired · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:09

Ye well, it will be a question of stock.

OCUK sticks it up because there is obvious demand and obviously not enough stock.

If there's enough stock then you can't charge an extra 100 because other retailers are shifting stock at the normal price.

d_brennen · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:11

I think we'll see an 8GB 6800 after the dust settles

Katalyst · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:11

If i have an X570 tomahawk and am getting a 5900x, am I ideally looking to get a 6800xt instead of the 3080 i have on pre order? As i'd be able to benefit from the extra access memory and rage mode, no? Obviously hard without much info, but it's looking good, no?

Zeeflyboy · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:12

@Hotwired I think it's guaranteed that there will be shortages at launch... the question to me is how quickly it normalises. Hopefully AMD can pump these things out quickly enough that demand is met within a reasonable time window.

Sargatanas2511 · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:12

d_brennen said:
I think we'll see an 8GB 6800 after the dust settles

I think it'll just be a 8/12GB lineup on the 6700 cards instead.

gpuerrilla · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:12

no_1_dave said:
You forget how much the "insane" 20w difference means to some people

We all know about it. Had years of it being a major thing from nvidia users in one of their defensive mechanisms.. boring isnt it?

clv101 said:
I'm seeing a lot about gaming performance. But what about the rest? How is RDNA2 at rendering, encoding, machine learning etc? Where is AMD on PyTorch, MXNet, TensorFlow? Does Nvidia have advantages beyond gaming?

This is what AMD owners would look at when it came to losing out on just the gaming front. I recall most people would chortle and be like *its only gaming that matters guffaw* now all of a sudden, other things mean something.. funny that

Hairydavey said:
Exactly my intention!

I would have been mad to stick with the 3090 after that announcement

AMD is now the gaming solution for gamers.. <big sinister roar>

michty_me · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:12

Any way you look at it, AMD deserve some recognition of achieving roughly 20% IPC increase on the CPU side and a 50%+ performance per watt increase on the GPU side in a generation.

clv101 · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:13

The £450-460 price on the 3070, which is where it should be after launch madness dies downs is great value. It's the best performance per watt and cost per frame card.

Confuzz · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:13

Hotwired said:
Ye well, it will be a question of stock.

OCUK sticks it up because there is obvious demand and obviously not enough stock.

If there's enough stock then you can't charge an extra 100 because other retailers are shifting stock at the normal price.

Doesn't make it right I don't remember the supermarket increasing the price of toilet paper when it was so popular not that long ago.

g67575 · 28 Oct 2020 at 22:13

The RX 6900 XT isnt looking that good from a value perspective, just 8 CUs more than the RX 6800 XT and the same clock speed. Maybe the 6900 XT will have other advantages, like more ROPs or cache? Same 300w tdp though, so not too bad.

Maybe a GPU released purely to **** on NVs cornflakes by stealing the RTX 3090's thunder?