The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

Twinz · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:19

8myers8 said:
End off the day it will be down too stock levels off the cards, who wins in my eyes, if it is true how close the cards are from nvidia and AMD...

I plan to buy the first decent 3080 or 6800XT that I can actually buy.

The competition is close enough that both companies can lose potential customers for lack of stock.

bicpug · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:21

AMD should have put 24gb on the 6900, just to tweak nvidias nose a bit more.

mrk · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:22

Diagro said:
No one cares about Ray tracing.

This is simply not true.

Frubeling · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:23

muon said:
How has it hurt nvidia though? They are still completely sold out either way.

People who would only tentatively consider jumping ship to AMD may be more inclined to do so
What you said would be true if not for the fact that there's still thousands on back order

uscool · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:24

mrk said:
Seems to get the best out of these you need Smart Access turned on so you also need a Ryzen 5000 series and supporting board as well.

No RT on vs off numbers at all, no confirmation of any DLSS equivalent features at launch... The 6800XT performance numbers seem compelling but as someone on r/pcgaming pointed out:

My money is on a 3070 still as a decent upgrade over a 2070S OC. It doesn't have 16GB VRAM, but I don't need it at 3440x1440, it's still 30+ fps faster than my current card and it has RT+DLSS which is supported by the games I will be playing in the next 12 months at least so for me that makes sense.

The most annoying thing about the AMD announcement is they completely neglected to show or tell anything about RT performance which leads me to believe that they are not confident enough in the RT optimisation and as such it won't be stellar or nVidia beating in any way at launch. Whilst the prices vs power and performance are good, turn RT on and pretty soon the visual fidelity gains on RTX 30 cards will be what people talk about the most.

I will buy a 6800XT over a 3070/3080 if the RT performance numbers match up to RTX cards, but I cannot see that happening given AMD were totally silent on these, and of course the mish mash of slide consistency as someone mentioned earlier above.

Ray tracing isn't good enough for this gen probably next gen also ray tracing on 4k with 3070 is just gonna really kill FPS regardless of DLS

PrincessFrosty · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:25

Diagro said:
No one cares about Ray tracing.

???

People have cared about RT for decades, we use it for all our offline rendering of advanced CGI in movies and pre-renders, and it has been a dream to have it done in real time for gaming for as long as I can remember. It's finally being used in flagship titles like Cyberpunk 2077 which is highly anticipated and many people are upgrading specifically to play. And no one cares?

I assume you mean that you don't care. Which is fair enough but you're not everyone.

mrk · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:26

RT also visually transformed Minecraft for the better did it not? I don't play it but recall seeing the big fuss about it in recent months. Also Fortnite supports it? In fact most of the biggest games out promote RT support. BFV too, to name a few.

Actually after a Google:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/games-support-nvidia-ray-tracing/

Up to date as of this month lol.

uscool said:
Ray tracing isn't good enough for this gen probably next gen also ray tracing on 4k with 3070 is just gonna really kill FPS regardless of DLS

My interest is not in 4K, it's in 1440p which was actually one thing I liked about AMD's stream as they clearly have seen plenty of gamers prefer 1440p as well. Part of my interest in a 3070 is also because I have no intention of going 4K for PC gaming. a 34" 3440x1440 is more than enough for my gaming immersion preference.

uscool · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:29

mrk said:
My interest is not in 4K, it's in 1440p which was actually one thing I liked about AMD's stream as they clearly have seen plenty of gamers prefer 1440p as well. Part of my interest in a 3070 is also because I have no intention of going 4K for PC gaming. a 34" 3440x1440 is more than enough for my gaming immersion preference.

That's why I'll be going with the 6800xt I own 1440p 240hz and want high FPS

Also with console's also being on AMD will the games be better optimized for AMD hardware ?

RavenXXX2 · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:31

Well 6800 is supposedly faster than the 2080ti in RT and is therefore faster than the 3070 as it's 2080ti performance in RT. No brainer going the 6800 then.

mrk · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:37

uscool said:
That's why I'll be going with the 6800xt I own 1440p 240hz and want high FPS

Also with console's also being on AMD will the games be better optimized for AMD hardware ?

This is what I am wondering if/when console ports come to PC, which they will, with Xbox it's a given, and Sony have shown strong interest in bringing PS titles to PC given recent popularity with Horizon etc.

RavenXXX2 said:
Well 6800 is supposedly faster than the 2080ti in RT and is therefore faster than the 3070 as it's 2080ti performance in RT. No brainer going the 6800 then.

Are there leaked slides or something? Today's announcement showed no hard numbers comparing raw RT against other cards unless I missed something?

Phate · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:40

See...15 games (currently) which support RT with an Nvidia card just isn't a deal changer for me. Most of those are the kind of games I'll never play as well. Out of them listed I'll play 3 of those titles. Like, that isn't going to swing me to get that specific make of card, however I get this is of course entirely down to a person by person basis.

Until RT is part of the majority of games for me my priority will be rasterisation. Like, you don't need to check if its got RT, because it just will.

Phate · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:42

mrk said:
Are there leaked slides or something? Today's announcement showed no hard numbers comparing raw RT against other cards unless I missed something?

For RT performance. Nah you didn't miss anything, they didn't say anything other than they're doing HW RT now with their Ray accelerators which are embedded into the CUs and it uses DXR and the cards are fully DX12 Ultimate compat. We'll need to wait until they're in reviewers hands and even then, I don't know if games will need patches to take full advantage of AMDs hardware or what. As the 15 or so games so far have been tweaked for Nvidia approach

Interesting times ahead, for sure.

mrk · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:44

Even though 15 current games with a bunch of upcoming AAA titles, the only one I will play and play a lot is Cyberpunk 2077 and that's an nVidia optimised game to begin with, so for me I think the decision is automatically made really.

I guess the logical and sensible choice is not to buy any new GFX card and just see what the 2070S is like in CP2077. If it's good, I save myself quite a bit of money. It's the only next gen game I will be playing in the next 12 months anyway Horizon already looks and runs great and no other game coming in the next 12 months interests me too much really.

The next game that I will play for months on end if not years (I did with GTA 5) is GTA 6 but knowing Rockstar, that will come to PC in sometime after 2022 by which point any current next gen card will be laughed out of the room :/

Edit*

Lol

Twinz · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:48

muon said:
How has it hurt nvidia though? They are still completely sold out either way.

Nvidia no longer has a captive audience at the high end. If AMD has stock when Nvidia doesn't, Nvidia will lose potential customers.

Up till now, Nvidia could just get to us whenever they got to us. We had nowhere else to go for the level of performance they are selling.

Now we may actually have somewhere else to take our business.

Wrinkly · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:48

Diagro said:
No one cares about Ray tracing.

Only reason for me to upgrade. Stop living in the past

muon · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:51

Twinz said:
Nvidia no longer has a captive audience at the high end. If AMD has stock when Nvidia doesn't, Nvidia will lose potential customers.

Up till now, Nvidia could just get to us whenever they got to us. We had nowhere else to go for the level of performance they are selling.

Now we may actually have somewhere else to take our business.

How has anything you've said applicable to a Cyberpunk order rush?

If Cyberpunk is launching tomorrow or in December it makes no difference to nvidia being sold out.

edit:

or are you just ignoring the conversation and just wanted to reply to my sentence

Dirk Diggler · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:52

Diagro said:
No one cares about Ray tracing.

I've had my 3080 since launch, enabled RT once, exclaimed "meh" and have never enabled it since.

It's a total gimmick.

EastCoastHandle · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:58

mrk said:
This is simply not true.

For me it is true. I could care less. Nor have I ever found anything visual about it that would make me want to buy a game just for it.

Gerard · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:59

Now we sit back and watch the ocuk preorder pricing shenanigans.

Thatchappers · 29 Oct 2020 at 00:59

SeeNoWeevil said:
The 3080 with RT and DLSS is going to kick the arse off the 6800XT in Cyberpunk 2077. Nvidia are going to go ham pushing that combo.

This is sort of my thinking as well. If AMD had a card that was anywhere in the same ballpark when it comes to RT, it would've been all over the presentation. Same with their not-DLSS thing.