I'm sorry but... LOL
The last time you LOL'ed it was totally irrelevant/wrong/pointless, at the EK9 thread, so what are you laughing at this time?
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The last time you LOL'ed it was totally irrelevant/wrong/pointless, at the EK9 thread, so what are you laughing at this time?
The fact that yet again you're arguing and disputing someone's knowledge (someone who actually owned one of these cars and might know a thing or two) despite having little of your own, in favour of something you heard on the grapevine. As usual.
Yet this person conceded my point?
They do over-read, but not by that muchIt tends to engage at 6000-6200. Definitely not 5600 though, even the ITR was 5800?
What part of "but not by that much" and "definitely not 5600" did you not understand?
But not a touch on the EK9.
It isn't as focussed, it doesn't have an LSD, it is heavier etc.
Yes he corrected me? It was a perfectly civil conversation. If I had said "SHUT UP YOU'RE WRONG ITS X" I could understand, I was just asking if he was certain regarding his statement because what he told me conflicted with what someone else told me. Simples, perhaps you can put that spoon down now?
The weight difference isn't massive, about 100kg? You're really going to notice the lack of an LSD on the IOW are you? Especially when I'd imagine it has computer gizmos and newer suspension setup to make up for that.
Sure, why not.
Thats a nice clean looking beast.
It is a fair bit over 100KG, but even a 100KG is a fair bit.
Yes, I will notice the lack of LSD anywhere?
Not sure what "computer gizmos" you speak of, and I'm fairly certain that the EK9 has the better suspension setup.
The EP3 was far more compromised, which is why you'll hear a lot of Honda fanboi's claiming that the EP3 and FN2 are not "real" Type-Rs when compared to what the EK9/DC2 were about.
If I wanted a daily driver, I'm pretty sure the EP3 would be far more suitable, but without spending money on it, I don't see it being any different to the sort of car the ST was, except it is slower.
EK9 is something like 1090 and the EP3 is 1200~, so just over the weight of a standard passenger?
You will notice the lack of LSD on a standard IOW road? How the hell do you drive?
Computer gizmos - the same way BMW get away with not fitting an LSD to anything other than the M cars now because they have all the other bits of software which try and replicate it.
If you cannot see how 110kg+ (1090 is the weight for a fully loaded EK9) is a significant weight saving, I see little point in entertaining this argument.
I see you've never driven a car with a LSD then? Its absence will be especially evident at any corner that requires slowing down and accelerating out of, when on a spirited drive and even more so in a FWD car. Plus my potential car needs to be "track suitable" where LSD becomes even more important, IMO.
But they don't replicate it? Traction/stability control is not a replacement for LSD, which is exactly why BMW (as used in your example) still fit a LSD to the M3 etc. So I refer to my previous statement that you've clearly never driven a car with LSD, or understand what it does.
I've driven a car with an LSD, but the point I was trying to make are these are all very very small 'improvements' especially when you consider to gain them you have to drive a 15~ year old Civic.
Each to his own, I'd have gone for an EP3.
I wouldn't call the gains of an LSD small for anyone that actually appreciates a good drive.
It is an 11 year old Civic, but why does age matter? Are you that material that you'd prefer to have a car that other people think is cool than one you'd have more fun driving? Not that an EP3 for this money is going to be much newer? 3 years?
It is an 11 year old Civic, but why does age matter? Are you that material that you'd prefer to have a car that other people think is cool than one you'd have more fun driving? Not that an EP3 for this money is going to be much newer? 3 years?
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