HBCC is, i don't think the shader thing is an option.
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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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HBCC is, i don't think the shader thing is an option.
Soldato
Ah sorry thought you meant HBCC.
Soldato
Unfortunately, even if they activate them gamers ain't going to see those cards until they are well weathered by the miners.
Soldato
Seriously... guys.... the miners aren't some freakin' boogeymen. Anything bad that happens (or you speculate on) isn't automatically because of miners. lol
Caporegime
The issue is either the option does nothing,or the reviewers all have an earlier driver where it is inactive. Either way whether it does anything is one thing,but its another AMD launch.
Soldato
They'll be flogging aio cards with empty reservoirs from mining in 6 months
RX580 took 4 months to find it's way into stock and gather bit dust on the shelve, yet still prices are sky high, almost twice as much as the RX480 (custom AIBs like thr XFX which were 580s actually) was going for.
With AIB cards due Sept-Oct, we are talking about Nov at best if there is stock and choice for the Vega 64s. And then maybe some prices could come down. After that is Xmas and 2018.
The Aorus 1080Ti Xtreme going to cut through TWW2 and XCOM2 (new DLC) nicely next month
Caporegime
RX580 took 4 months to find it's way into stock and gather bit dust on the shelve, and still prices are sky high, almost twice as much as the RX480 was going for.
With AIB cards due Sept-Oct, we are talking about Nov at best if there is stock and choice for the Vega 64s. And then maybe some prices could come down. After that is Xmas and 2018.
The Aorus 1080Ti Xtreme going to cut through TWW2 and XCOM2 (new DLC) nicely next month
The problem is that miners are screwing the market over - so upto the GTX1050TI prices are normal. Everything from that upto a GTX1080 has gone potty,and that is the probably the price range many gamers will be targeting.
Sure OcUK does some deals,but the problem is retailers worldwide. I wonder how many people might be tempted by consoles if this goes on for longer and longer.
Indeed, most of the sales deluge seems thus far to have been from gamers who wanted a new Freesync compatible GPU at any cost, and professional users who wanted a workstation card and saw that the V64 annihilated the Vega FE and Titan XP on price performance in a whole variety of workloads.
The V64 is currently giving the gross mining profit of a GTX1080 but with a much higher power draw (so lower net profit) and the V56 gives the same performance (as it has the same RAM just without the factory overclock, and that can quickly be fixed) which would be good as it "should" be priced lower except it's still noticeably behind the GTX1070 in Mhash per watt.
Anyone buying Vega with the intention of mining is either gambling that some wonder driver will boost profitability (which isn't that unlikely as mining started out as a gamble that BTC would one day be worth the electric we were pumping into it) or stupid.
Soldato
When is this Navi due then ?? 2019 ??
Says the self-confessed miner
Sure, sure, mining hasn't pushed prices up or anything. No wai, guyz! Miners are just like gamers! They just like games so much they've bought 20 GPUs each! And don't game with them!
LOL.
Caporegime
Who knows.
Raja might
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Honestly this makes no sense as if all you do is game you buy a card in your price bracket that plays games. AMD cards game fine and the 64 will most likely get better over time. It's not as straight forward as you think. Sure Nvidia do make gaming only chips where as AMD do an all in one like you say. It doesn't change the fact that buying now a Vega 64 if the price is right will most likely last you longer than a 1080 will. The draw backs are power and heat. Apart from the 2900xt i would say this is pretty much the most lack luster launch i have seen. There is literally no competition for the ti and Nvidia will continue to push prices up and AMD will follow suite. It's disappointing but AMD being back with a bang in the cpu market should in theory give the gpu section a bit more money to burn and hopefully in turn give us competition which should lead to price wars.
I honestly would still pick up a Vega over a 1080 at the same price as history has shown the AMD chip will get stronger whether its a full gaming design or not.
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Yea it's almost like they had 95% of there company working on the cpu side for the last year and vega got no attention. You couldn't make this up
. Bring out the next gen and it's not fully working. I guess for the whole business the gpu side has taken a back seat. Hopefully this changes and they actually give Navi the full treatment. there is no way if they focused on the gpu that they would be 30% off as it's unheard of for a good while now.
Yep, between the 1080 and the 64 I can see it being a toss-up if power draw isn't important to you, but your argument is that the 64 is a good deal because it will get better in time, the alternative argument is that you could have already had that performance for over a year already, and nvidia is well on the way to the next update which will likely smash vega, despite any improvements in AMD drivers in the meantime. That's why bringing out an equivalent model so much later in the life-cycle doesn't cut the mustard (for me at least).
However, the good part is that at least vega is good enough to keep AMD interested in the GPU market.
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Yea the thing is though those that have not bought have to look at the market now. Now that Vega at least competes with the 1080 and are looking for a card now have to weigh up in the present and not 1 year ago. In agreement with it's very lack lustre but you can't change time and for those thinking about an upgrade now can't go back a year and buy a gtx1080. There is now another option and for me i don't really care about heat and power usage as my Haf X doesn't have issues with that. I still won't be touching what i believe between the gtx1080/Vega should be £300 max with the ti coming around £4-500. This gpu market with current pricing is getting more stupid by the minute. We all know that the gtx1080 is nvidias middle of the road card and Vega atm can only match it. I love to game but for me my 290 is still cutting the mustard and it's daft that i need to pay twice as much 3 to 4 years on for a decent upgrade. Ahh well am ranting on a bit here but it's very disappointing.
Thing is after using the 1080ti i have a new found respect for there hardware as it's spot on but way over priced when i look back to cards like the 9800pro/8800gtx/1900xtx and even my 290 which cost me £200. No way is the 1080ti worth what you have to pay. Vega has not helped matters either.
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Agree with not looking at the past, but that's why I mentioned the future, most people will know that we're more than half way to the next big nvidia update. Personally, if i'd held off this long for vega, I'd keep waiting for volta, unless the freesync issue was biting me. It's a real shame that what I believe to be the main valid criticism of nvidia over the last few years (locking people in with monitor tech), has become amd's saving grace...
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Yea waiting for Volta might be a no brainer for those that want a full on dx12 chip from Nvidia with hopefully the performance to back it up. Nvidia must be making decent profit from G-Sync as in a way it looks like they are offering up sales as people with Freesync will want an AMD card to benefit from it. Must be in there interest to stick with G-Sync although it makes no sense to us as it's like giving sales away. It's a very well run company so i would imagine they have a very good reason that they won't let on about.