There's some great older lenses out there...

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Someone local to me was advertising some old lenses they had, so I went to take a look and try them out.

On the menu were (Ken Rockwell was the only links I could find with decent photos and specs, sorry):

Nikkor 105mm f2/8D Micro http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/105af.htm

This lens is pretty much optically perfect to my eye. The detail it captures is phenomenal with no noticeable distortion, I took a few shots of a Cactus and it was amazing, you could even make out fibres hanging on the ends of the spines. It is pin sharp, and I cannot wait to really play around and get some serious Macro action in.

AF also performed decently, albeit slowly and comparatively noisily... and this was hand-held in ok but unspectacular light at 1/125 and f/8. VR? Pah, who needs it. I also hear it's an amazing portrait lens, and the bokeh does seem nice and creamy.

As for build quality, it's a metal tank but not heavy or unwieldy, and the sample I got is clean as a nuns naughty bits, in fact looks near to damn new internally and not a hair of a scratch on the glass.

Nikkor 35-70 f2/8D http://kenrockwell.com/nikon/3570.htm

I'd never hear of this lens before, so was interested when I saw it was basically the original precursor to the modern 24-70 f2/8 aimes at professionaly. The push and pull zooming does feel somewhat antiquated, but there is no doubt that wide open at f2/8 it is a sharp lens at 35-60mm, with some increased softness at 70mm. AT f/4 and beyond it's admirably sharp all across the board, with f/8 being awesome.

Yes, I have no wider angles of 24-23mm, and yes, the push pull zooming system feels a bit funny and less smooth and accurate than modern twist systems but for 200 quid I have a lens that is optically not so far away from a modern 24-70 and I am very impressed with performance at f2/8. I notice it is subsceptible to flare, but that was only with the sun directly in the frame Chromatic aberration also reared its head indoors with artificial lighting on one occasion, but it was easily fixed in LR and I didn't see it since. Bokeh is also pleasing with little to no nervousness that I could see, certainly much more pleasing than the Tamron 24-70 I had the other week. Build quality is also tank-like.

So yeah, to anyone out there who wants to play aroundwith some quality glass, spare a thought for some of the older stuff out there... just make sure you check it thoroughly to see it's in good condition as I read they are prone to fogging and algae if not well maintained. Very happy I took the punt. :)
 
Depends whether you like manual focus or not. I've got an 80-200mm f2.8 AF-D which is is every bit as good as the newer 70-200. (mine's the older push pull which I love, though mine is nice and smooth) They did make both a twin ring AF-D and an AF-S version which are quite a bit more expensive though.

I prefer to use manual focus AI primes...

though I do have aneven bigger selection of tamron adaptall 2 kit with a lot of zooms. These are incredibly useful as the mounts can be swapped, meaning I can use them on nikon, canon EF/FD, olympus OM, Pentax M42/K and so on.

TBH with nikon AF, I prefer the old screw drive lenses as there is less to go wrong and the pro kit was very well made. The biggest plus point is they all have aperture rings so I can use them on a manual nikon camera. I was tempted by the 35-70, but I have so many primes covering all those lengths, I couldn't see the point. The 55mm f2.8 micro I have is a superb lens, but lacks distance info and is remarkably rare. The 60mm AF-D that replaced it is virtually identical in performance with a better build.

Wow very impressive collection! What are your favourite primes? Personally though I mush prefer a lens with the possibility of AF and MF, rather than manual focus only.

The 28-70MM/F3.5-4.5D which I use as my walkaround lens with my D600. It was the kit lens for the F90 and was the first mass production SLR lens with a molded aspherical element. Previous lenses with aspherical elements used hand made elements.

My example is sharp,has low distortion,lightweight,does lovely sunstars and even shooting into the sun without a lenshood is very hard to make it flare.

You can get it for under £50 from Ebay.

Anyway here is a test of some other lenses on a D600:

The average price on Ebay is in the hundreds!
 
OK,it seems to be more pricier now but is still under £100 - one is on for sale for £60. Its an incredibly compact lens though so makes a D600 combi not much bigger than an APS-C setup.

BTW,regarding MF lenses,I have a 105mm F4 micro-Nikkor which is immense as a lens - it was fantastic on a film body,with an adaptor on an APS-C body and my D600.Its one of the sharpest AIS lenses Nikon made IIRC.

Link to the one on sale for 60 quid? Must be in appalling condition for that price...

The 35mm f1.4, 50mm f1.2 and 300mm f2.8 are the ones that see the most use. The 300 is great and saved me thousands vs a modern AF part. Of the tamron kit, I use a 35-80mm f2.8-3.8 zoom, 180mm f2.5 and 17mm f3.5 regularly. Prior to buying the nikon 80-200 f2.8, I used the older tamron 70-210 f3.5 more often too.

Cool good info, thanks. :)
 

Yeah, and you clearly didn't notice the aperture of those lenses, hence why they are so cheap. :p
 
:confused: They're all the 3.5-4.5 AF-D you were talking about?

Ahh, I was talking about the 28-70 f/2.8... the high-end professional glass which was the successor to the 35-70 f/2.8 that I have. I thought you were too, didn't notice you were referring to the 3.5-4.5 .:)
 
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Anyone got any opinons on the NIKON AF 80-200mm F/2.8D ED? I can get one new for around £700, and it seems to be as good as or optically better than the 70-200 VRII... though of course without the VR.

I want a fast telephoto without paying through the nose and this looks ideal. No focus breathing up close, and that finely machined, all-metal build quality... wow. :eek:

I bought an old 70-210 f4-5.6 AF on a whim, didn't really get on with it, broke it, and then started working through some of the images I'd shot with it.

Within a week I'd bought another.

Great shot. How much did you pay?

I had coincidently being looking at that very 105mm from the OP for a few days to see if I could get a cheap(ish) one and although there was quite a few they all seemed to be going for more than o wanted to pay as it was just, really, for a play with macro

Managed to snipe one last night for ~£130 delivered which is not a bad price at all - will let you know when it turns up !

Let me know how it turns out... hope you get a good copy as it really is an amazingly detailed lens and for that price you may have got a bargain if it's in good nick!

Richdog, you'll find a wealth of information from the following forums

http://forum.mflenses.com/

http://forum.manualfocus.org/

Cheers chap I'll check it out!

Just bagged a 24mm f/2.1 as well :)

Looks nice, I'm also considering a 24mm prime.
 
AF-S or AF-D? You can get the older one touch AF-D for £250-300. The twin ring AF-D is more expensive again and the AF-S is different optically and obviously a lot more expensive. Performance is great from wide open at all focal lengths for longer distance shots. Close up work requires stopping down a bit to retain decent sharpness towards the long end. (f4 or more) Chromatic aberrations are very low, with only bokeh fringing being present. Biggest issue is vignetting which is still present at f5.6.

It's the F/2.8D, which is this one F/2.8D (same model you have I think?) http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Pr...nses/AF-Zoom-Nikkor-80-200mm-f%2F2.8D-ED.html

I literally cannot find the AF-S anywhere where I live )non-EU), and only want to buy it from a local store as it's a default 2 year warranty on all products ordered online, versus Ebay which is usually 6 months to a year. Besides, the AF-S is only comparatively marginally better according to what I read.

Looking at your photos, IQ us very good then? How is AF speed and performance in good and low light? :)
 
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The 80-200 is not as good or better optically than the modern VR II. The VR I comes up used quite a lot about £700-£750 which I'd go for ahead of the 80-200. Also look at the Sigma and Tamron offerings

Sigma is optically noticeably worse, so not a contender for me at the same price range as the Nikon. Tamron I have had awful experiences with in terms of QC, focus issues and calibration... and I have no wish to repeat it. Autofocus is also hit and miss.

I think the 80-200 is so close as to be in the same league and better in terms of build quality and size, and there are many hundreds of user review online as testament to this.
:)
 
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Question guys... someone nearby to me is selling a Nikon 70-200 VR (the first version) for £715. It's had 2 owners, but is apparently physically, optically and mechanically in perfect condition.

Is it worth picking up at that price for a good sample? Seems a good deal to me as the VRII is twice the price or more new!

For just over £100 im very impressed - i just need to get my head round using it now :D

Fair enough, but I think full-time manual would drive me nuts on a lens over the long term!
 
Thoughts on the Nikon 28-70mm f/2.8D ED-IF AF-S?

Can get it for £589 used with no warranty, but in good condition with no marks on the lens.

It would replace my 24-120mm as my general walkabout lens and would be used in clubs etc. I lose 4mm over my 24-120, but the low light capability seems very tempting.

Whaddya think? :)
 
It is fairly sharp, similar to the 24-120 but not quite the 24-70mm sharpness.

To em the 28mm is a deal breaker, I would rather have the 24-120mm, for club photography it is a better choice, 1 stop aperture wont eb anywhere near enough to allow photography without a flash and as suggested in ther other thread, you don't want to be shooting at wide apertures when capturing groups of people in a club.


TBH, I am thinking of selling my 24-70mm in exchange for the 24-120mm and some primes.

28mm a deal breaker? It is not really significant vs 24mm... I always zoomed even to some small extent in when I did the club photography.

I found a good post on DP Review: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3369836#forum-post-50692450

I find it helpful to think of focal lengths in terms of stops -- a one stop change in focal length doubles or halves the area of the captured scene (on the focal plane).

So, let's set 0 stops to be the sensor diagonal. Then, for FF, we have:

-4 stops --> 11mm
-3 2/3 stops --> 12mm
-3 1/3 stops --> 14mm
-3 stops --> 15mm
-2 2/3 stops --> 17mm
-2 1/3 stops --> 19mm
-2 stops --> 22mm
-1 2/3 stops --> 24mm
-1 1/3 stops --> 27mm
-1 stop --> 31mm
-2/3 stops --> 34mm
-1/3 stops --> 39mm
0 stops --> 43mm
1/3 stops --> 49mm
2/3 stops --> 55mm
1 stops --> 61mm
1 1/3 stops --> 69mm
1 2/3 stops --> 77mm
2 stops --> 87mm
2 1/3 stops --> 97mm
2 2/3 stops --> 109mm
3 stops --> 122mm
3 1/3 stops --> 137mm
3 2/3 stops --> 154mm
4 stops --> 173mm
4 1/3 stops --> 194mm
4 2/3 stops --> 218mm
5 stops --> 245mm
5 1/3 stops --> 275mm
5 2/3 stops --> 308mm
6 stops --> 346mm
6 1/3 stops --> 389mm
6 2/3 stops --> 436mm
7 stops --> 490mm
7 1/3 stops --> 549mm
7 2/3 stops --> 617mm
8 stops --> 692mm
8 1/3 stops --> 777mm
8 2/3 stops --> 872mm
9 stops --> 979mm

This thinking leads to the following classifications:

Wider than -2 stops: UWA
Between -2 stops and 1 stop: WA
Between -1 stop and 1 stop: Normal
Between 1 stop and 2 stops: Short Telephoto
Between 2 stops and 3 stops: Telephoto
Between 3 stops and 4 stops: Long Telephoto
Longer than 4 stops: Super Telephoto
If we think in these terms, we see that 24mm and 28mm are basically 1/3 of a stop apart. The utility of thinking in this way is if 1/3 of a stop in FOV has the same value as 1/3 of a stop in f-ratio (DOF / noise) and/or 1/3 of a stop in shutter speed (motion blur / camera shake).

Yeah, way nerdy, but I was bored. :-)

Of course it's not exactly the same, but I would certainly agree with him that 28mm is by no means a deal breaker.
 
Hmm looking at those comparisons it is wider than I thought, but still probably not a deal breaker for me as I maybe only tok a few shots at 24mm when I did the shoot.

To be honest my priority now is getting a decent 70-200 f2.8 anyway, so the 24-120 will stay for now even though I do find the bokeh most unpleasing to look at (in fact one of the worst I have ever personally seen on a lens). :)
 
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