think im doing it wrong lol

Dave85 · 4 Jul 2009 at 17:35

hey all I think I am doing it wrong just trying to get a little extra out of my E6600 thats been run at stock since bought when it first came out.

I used the Asus P5WDH Deluxe AI overclock at 30% and just wondering if this looks okay, the memory when booting says 3200 when it used to say 6400. I am not going to pretend like I know how to overclock so is this okay?

Ps. For other thread, changing bios fixed the memory issues

Jezzer · 7 Jul 2009 at 13:56

It would seem that you have intel speed step set to 'on', go into bios at boot and disable. Take mem off auto so that you can set your memory speed. Go into 'chipset' -> 'northbridge' and set your ram to manual settings and change to 4.4.4.15. up your memory voltage to 2.1ish.

PhoenixUK · 7 Jul 2009 at 16:13

speedstep !! OFF!!

And unlink your memory off the CPU first, so you OC them separately. Unless your mobo/cpu can handle high FSBs you can try 8x400 with 1:1 ratio.

HazardO · 7 Jul 2009 at 16:36

CPU-Z is reporting 2GHz because speedstep is enabled, it should go to 3.2GHz when you apply a load (eg prime95).

I've not used software to overclock before, I normally use the BIOS, but you need to remember that to overclock the CPU on a socket 775 motherboard, you increase the FSB speed (in your case you went from 266 to 346FSB). When you up the FSB, you also overclock your memory, so by increasing your CPU by 30%, you do the same to your memory.

The memory itself is unlikely to take a 30% overclock well. To get round this you need to underclock the memory before you overclock the CPU.

In the case of my old E6600 and DDR2 800, I underclocked the RAM to 677, overclocked the CPU to 3GHz (333 FSB), which left my memory running at 833MHz

E6600 FSB266 x 9 = 2.4GHz
E6600 FSB333 x 9 = 3GHz = 25% overclock

667MHz RAM x 1.25 = 833MHz

With your overclock, if you left the RAM at 800MHz, then the overclock will be RAM running at 1.04Ghz, which 800MHz RAM can not tolerate, and hence the motherboard massively underclocked the RAM. Using DDR2 800, you'll probably have to set it as DDR2 533, which will end up as
692Mhz. Alternatively, you could get some PC8500 (1066 MHz) RAM, set it up a 800, then the overclock will have the RAM runing at 1040MHz, but this will only work if your motherboard supports PC8500.

PhoenixUK · 7 Jul 2009 at 16:48

He doesnt really need PC8500 ram.
Firstly because 800mhz stock ram can get him up to 3.6GHZ.
Secondly, most of the good pc6400 will do 900mhz EASILY and some of them even 1066.

Most of the good chips will even be able to pull 4-4-4-12 @ ~900mhz.

I would check for the FSB wall first ( set low multi and try to boot with as high FSB as you can ).

and if you can hit 400 or more, go for 1:1 ratio. If not, unlink it and set it separetely.

HazardO · 7 Jul 2009 at 16:52

Well clearly his DDR2 800 won't run at 1040 MHZ (at least not without a significant overvolt.). Certainly if the motherboard allows the memory to be unlinked or has a more suitable ratio, that would be better than the current situation. Anyway, I wasn't advising him replace the RAM (sure it's an option, maybe not the best though), I was just trying to explain what he was seeing.

Peace

PhoenixUK · 7 Jul 2009 at 17:01

HazardO said:
Well clearly his DDR2 800 won't run at 1040 MHZ (at least not without a significant overvolt.). Certainly if the motherboard allows the memory to be unlinked or has a more suitable ratio, that would be better than the current situation. Anyway, I wasn't advising him replace the RAM (sure it's an option, maybe not the best though), I was just trying to explain what he was seeing.

Peace

You won't really know if it runs @ 1040mhz or not UNTILL he sets it manually.
Motherboard will never give you the settings you want on auto.

Anyways as said before, the perfect setup will be if the mobo/cpu allowed him for anything close to 400FSB so he can run @ 1:1 :-)

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Try to unlink the memory first to test the maximum possible FSB with your CPU.

Then we can go from there

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You're not far away so try to set 7 or 8x400 and see if it boots.
Remember to add a notch or two of voltage to cpu and northbridge when doing that.

Jezzer · 7 Jul 2009 at 17:09

PhoenixUK said:
speedstep !! OFF!!

It would seem that you have intel speed step set to 'on' 'which if you read the sentence suggests you turn it off......DOH!

And unlink your memory off the CPU first, so you OC them separately. Unless your mobo/cpu can handle high FSBs you can try 8x400 with 1:1 ratio.

Jezzer · 7 Jul 2009 at 17:12

PhoenixUK said:
400FSB so he can run @ 1:1 .

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Try to unlink the memory first to test the maximum possible FSB with your CPU.

Then we can go from there .

You're not far away so try to set 7 or 8x400 and see if it boots.
Remember to add a notch or two of voltage to cpu and northbridge when doing that.

It is generally recommended to not have your FSB any higher than you need....just stresses the mobo needlessly!!!!!!!!!

bifday2k · 7 Jul 2009 at 17:21

There is a much easier way to use speedstep, i found this out as my mobo won't let me use my 12.5 multi without speedstep being turned on

Ok as follows,

Go to control panel, system and maintence, then power options

next, choose high performance, this should turn off speed step from inside windows..

if not click on change plan settings, and then change change advanced power options, a box will appear.

Scroll down till u see processor power management, click on the + next to it, you should now see min processor state and max, hit the + next to the min pro state.

If speed step is active, this will read 5%, click on it and change it to 100, this will basicly turn off speed step from inside windows, i use speed step myself, as i rarely need my comp running at full speed, but when i want to do say a lot of benching i turn speed step off that way..

its easy to do especially if u want to do screenies of overclocks without having to reboot to turn speed step off in bios, and u can eaisly revert it back by following the above but putting it to 5% u don't need to reboot just click ok and its done.

Jezzer · 7 Jul 2009 at 17:36

bifday2k said:
There is a much easier way to use speedstep,

......if you are using Vista. Doesn't work for XP I think.

bifday2k · 7 Jul 2009 at 17:40

yeh probably won't work in XP, vista deffinatly does, so im fairly sure without downloading and isntalling win 7 that it should work in that too, as the original poster has win 7..

PhoenixUK · 10 Jul 2009 at 14:53

Jezzer said:
It is generally recommended to not have your FSB any higher than you need....just stresses the mobo needlessly!!!!!!!!!

Hello!
We're overclockers, we like stressing the **** out of our hardware ;-)

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And finding out the FSB Wall is the first thing to do when OCing so after you can adjust it to your components and choose the multi/divider that gives you the best option.

I didn't tell him to just use the max fsb possible he can without any reason in it. I didn't even say the max fsb at all...

PS. Please, don't spam if you have nothing constructive to say...
I know you want the MM access and stuff for which you need more posts, but spamming randomly won't get you good opinion there.

Jezzer · 12 Jul 2009 at 23:59

PhoenixUK said:
Hello!
We're overclockers, we like stressing the **** out of our hardware .

And finding out the FSB Wall is the first thing to do when OCing so after you can adjust it to your components and choose the multi/divider that gives you the best option.

I didn't tell him to just use the max fsb possible he can without any reason in it. I didn't even say the max fsb at all...

PS. Please, don't spam if you have nothing constructive to say...
I know you want the MM access and stuff for which you need more posts, but spamming randomly won't get you good opinion there.

You have completely missed the point! ;') and I am not randomly spamming - I just disagree with yow!

Jezzer · 13 Jul 2009 at 00:01

PhoenixUK said:
Hello!
We're overclockers, we like stressing the **** out of our hardware .

And finding out the FSB Wall is the first thing to do when OCing so after you can adjust it to your components and choose the multi/divider that gives you the best option.

I didn't tell him to just use the max fsb possible he can without any reason in it. I didn't even say the max fsb at all...

PS. Please, don't spam if you have nothing constructive to say...
I know you want the MM access and stuff for which you need more posts, but spamming randomly won't get you good opinion there.

This on the other hand is spamming.....LOL

Bradley8988 · 13 Jul 2009 at 00:01

PhoenixUK said:
Hello!
We're overclockers, we like stressing the **** out of our hardware .

And finding out the FSB Wall is the first thing to do when OCing so after you can adjust it to your components and choose the multi/divider that gives you the best option.

I didn't tell him to just use the max fsb possible he can without any reason in it. I didn't even say the max fsb at all...

PS. Please, don't spam if you have nothing constructive to say...
I know you want the MM access and stuff for which you need more posts, but spamming randomly won't get you good opinion there.

Sorry but i totally agree with jezzer. Obs higher fsb may be a tiny bit faster but is it really worth the extra voltage and heat put on the NB?

Jezzer · 13 Jul 2009 at 00:03

Bradley8988 said:
Sorry but i totally agree with jezzer. Obs higher fsb may be a tiny bit faster but is it really worth the extra voltage and heat put on the NB?

Thank you Bradders!!!!

Bradley8988 · 13 Jul 2009 at 00:25

PhoenixUK said:
speedstep !! OFF!!

I don't see anything constructive about this either. Unless you think wasting electricity is constructive?

BIGBC · 13 Jul 2009 at 01:10

PhoenixUK said:
PS. Please, don't spam if you have nothing constructive to say...
I know you want the MM access and stuff for which you need more posts, but spamming randomly won't get you good opinion there.

Just as a personnal note to PhoenixUK here (sorry to go off topic).
This here is a classic instance of irony; asking people to stop spamming and not post when its not constructive as this is exactly what you have done here, and in several other posts today.
Its also quite ironic that your post requesting the stop of spamming has generated several posts that may be seen as spam.