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Thinking about upgrade path - 5800X3D

karol_

karol_

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Hi Guys,

I am currently running 8700k + 3080 RTX + 3000 CL16 RAM and start to think about the upgrades.

I am not overly excited about the ZEN4 or Raptor Lake so far, also price/performance for DDR5 is not that great.

I was thinking about upgrading to 5800x3d + some reasonably priced X570 MOBO and 3600 CL14 RAM.

Do you think it makes sense or should I wait for AM5 and see what's available?

I am afraid that AM5 mobos + CPU + DDR5 would be just too expensive to justify the performance and this proposed set-up should last me 2-3 years before making a bigger investment.
 
DDR5 pricing is already coming down and the faster speeds are starting to hit the shelves. AM5 and Ryzen 7000 isn't due for a number of months yet so hopefully we'll get stabilised DDR5 specs and money at that time.

What do you want X570 for? Are you going to make use of all the extras over B550? Same will apply with X670E, X670 and B650. Unless you're planning on using multiple NVMe SSDs at full speed and/or multiple graphics cards, there's little need for going top-end chipset for the motherboard.

Ultimately wait until the end of the year and see what AM5 brings. Right now the initial performance uplift of Zen 4 seems to be massively sandbagged. It's not like previous-gen Ryzen will just vanish from the shops the moment Ryzen 7000 lands.

Raptor Lake is going to be DOA though; very little performance uplift and on a dead-end platform. Avoid if you want upgradability.
 
If you need something now and buy a decent B550 motherboard and 32GB of RAM (It doesn't have to be the fastest with the 5800X3D, check YT for some reviews) and a 5800X3D that should last you quite a few generations of GPUs. If you can wait and pay a bit more AM5 looks good ad should have some longevity.
 
Troezar said:
If you need something now and buy a decent B550 motherboard and 32GB of RAM (It doesn't have to be the fastest with the 5800X3D, check YT for some reviews) and a 5800X3D that should last you quite a few generations of GPUs. If you can wait and pay a bit more AM5 looks good ad should have some longevity.
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This seems pretty sensible.

What res are you gaming at? If you're at 4K you may be so GPU bound that there's little benefit of getting the 5800X3D.
 
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Minstadave said:
This seems pretty sensible.

What res are you gaming at? If you're at 4K you may be so GPU bound that there's little benefit of getting thr 5800X3D.
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That is a good point. The way I see it is if the GPU's are 50-100% faster each generation and a CPU can last you many GPU generations a decent CPU isn't such a bad buy. I got the 5800X3D as I wasn't sure how long/quantity it would be produced.
 
With 8700k i would wait for Zen 4 or even Meteor Lake, current platforms are dead end, AM4 doesn't make sense if you build completely new platform, and buying Intel isn't good too because RPL will be just little refinement of ADL so don't expect big performance jump if you want in future upgrade to it from ADL. Zen 4 platform will support at least 2 next gen cpu-s so even if it is little expensive at beginning you have future proof platform, or if you want Intel wait for Meteor Lake which should bring huge performance jump, and by that time ddr5 will be much cheaper and better. 8700k if clocked high is solid cpu, you don't need to rush.
 
Unless you're gaming at 1080p then there's not a lot to be gained from upgrading the CPU right now, wait till your next GPU upgrade then have a look what's about at the time.
 
keyser van someone said:
Name 1 game your current PC isn't fast enough in.
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I have been playing Ghostwire Tokyo recently and it triggered me that I was using 60% of my GPU at 1440p with DLSS at maximum. I think I start to see more and more CPU bottlenecks, especially with new open-world games. I tend to run mid-high settings to get into the 144 fps range.
 
karol_ said:
I have been playing Ghostwire Tokyo recently and it triggered me that I was using 60% of my GPU at 1440p with DLSS at maximum. I think I start to see more and more CPU bottlenecks, especially with new open-world games. I tend to run mid-high settings to get into the 144 fps range.
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I think CPU contribution is underestimated. FPS may be high but I notice a smoother experience with more CPU power. Given the years of use we get it of CPUs why not get more than you need for your current GPU? Saves an upgrade when you inevitably upgrade your GPU.
 
If I recall Control was doing the same thing to me, when DLSS is being used the GPU appears to be having a rest, and technically it is, it's drawing a much lower res and the DLSS is doing the rest.

You can always get a faster PC but upgrade path wise I would say wait for AM5 to come out and maybe wait for it to mature driver wise as well.
 
I would honestly wait, the next generation cant be too far away. Any purchases of DDR4 will also be a sunk cost, even though you have it already its 3000 Mhz while 3600 is recommended for Ryzen.
 
ballj said:
I would honestly wait, the next generation cant be too far away. Any purchases of DDR4 will also be a sunk cost, even though you have it already its 3000 Mhz while 3600 is recommended for Ryzen.
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Yeah, AM5 or Meteor Lake platform (whatever they call it) would be smart move, current AMD and Intel platforms are dead, RPL will come soon but it will be just little refresh so pointless upgrade from ADL if you go to Intel path, while AMD will no longer release new cpu for AM4, so save money for new platform, 8700k + 3080 is more than enough for current games.
 
do you guys think a 5800x will be fine for 4070/80 as I red something silly that a 5800x3d would be the minimum before a bottleneck? I really don't want to have to also have to spend more money on a newer ddr5 platform motherboard and ddr5 ram along with a different cpu after waiting patiently all year till November or December for the cards to come out as its going to sting a lot whether I stay 3080 or if I can actually get 40XX for the same price if they don't stitch us up on the new hardware as per usual...
 
Odds are the 5800x3d will fall behind in some ways along with the rest of the 5000 series. But looks to dominate cache heavy games.

You can check benchmarks by places like hardware unboxed on youtube, who have compared different generations of Ryzen with different performance levels of GPU. It really depends on how powerful your replacement GPU will be.

Maybe the basic 4060 will be like a 3080 Ti? Will have to wait and see.
 
LePhuronn said:
I'd hardly call a single generation of non-overclockable CPUs "good upgradability". There will be only 2 CPUs that would be an upgrade in this scenario, and of that only the 13900 (in whatever flavour) would be worth it.
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Really? I have a 3900x on a b550, you don't consider that an upgradable PC cause I only have 2 CPUs that would be an upgrade and only one of those would be worth it?
 
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