Thinking of building a nas with old Xeon cpu

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Hi I’ve noticed you can get old Xeon cpus on eBay very cheap I’m thinking of building a nas server with one useing truenas I think the software is called, what cpu would be cheap and don’t use too much power and good anuf to run a lot of drives in raid or I’m I dreaming to big lol
 
Not to say they are the best and getting on a bit now but I'm a fan of the X79 era E5-1650 and 1680 V2s as they are unlocked chips with better control over frequency, voltage and multipliers and top grade silicon so you can often reduce the voltage quite a lot to improve power efficiency in a low power situation but on the flip side not as power efficient as some of the newer Xeons (and the quad channel memory doesn't help in terms of power use).

(They also have the advantage of lots of PCI-e lanes and good storage controller performance out the box and being just about new enough that they'll support a range of storage devices and interfaces albeit booting from NVME is a little complicated to achieve)
cool will Virtualisation of a few systems at same time? i have a pc on 24/7 at mo shairing files over net on windows 10 and thinking of setting up a system running Pi hole and a system running trueNAS could x79 cpus be good anuf for sum thing like that or is that too ambitious? lol



Agree that X79 is a good chip due to the number of PCIe lanes. But also agree they can be quite power hungry for something that will be left running constantly. However you could mitigate that by using a network card which has Wake on LAN. I keep my NAS (a DIY one made from an old HP N40L - not the fastest thing in the world though) powered off and then wake it up remotely when I need it. The N40L is very low power so I could probably leave it on. But the WoL strategy may be useful for something which consumes more power.

There are like 13, 25, etc. watt Xeons, etc. but generally they are designed for embedded systems, etc. Xeons in general aren't the go to for low power scenarios and the low power variants are basically the same chips just frequency and voltage dropped - which is one of the reasons I suggested the E5-16xx V2s as you can tune a lot of the parameters to get low power consumption in operation and the silicon is usually really high graded on those chips so they have a lot of potential for big drops in voltage from stock.

What's your budget, and do you want ECC RAM? I've had quite a few older systems over the years though have retired most of it now (last system being a pair of Intel X5660s with 144GB of RAM) - the performance of older stuff can be ok, but it's not always cheaper.

A 4-6 core Ryzen in a cheap ASRock board might use a fraction of the power, while still being cheap and offering a much more modern feature set and great performance for example
not realy got budgit just looking in too stuff at mo, yer i was thinking about getting ECC RAM, i'm looking to run as system with Virtualisation of 3 systems Pi Hole a windows 10/linux and trueNas so ive got not too meny systems/devices hook up at once
 
One of the things you can be juggling here is feature set vs things like number of PCI-e lanes.



You can get Xeons with tons of cores and full set of virtualisation features along with having quad channel memory so can be used for a range of demanding virtualisation tasks.
is there a xeon you would recommend thats not too pricely
 
This is a car crash, please stop.

We have an op who clearly has absolutely no idea what they are doing and why with a bunch of people, who should really know better recommending what works for them and that dinosaurs should be re-introduced, I feel like I have read/seen this somewhere before, it never ended well and produced some awful sequels.

Op, if you want to run a NAS/home server then that's great, it's a learning experience that can set people off in unintended paths as you'll gradually realise you can do all sorts with the right box, but this is really not the way to go about it. You mention TruNAS because seemingly you've heard of that, TruNAS is one of many distro's that exist, it's a decent choice in the right circumstances, but it's made a development choice that has very specific advantages and as a result a price has to be paid. What does your likely IO usage look like? Heavy sustained R/W or Write Once Read Often (WORO)? If it's the latter and on the assumption you don't have a bunch of matched drives kicking about but instead but whatever was the best £/TB at the time, have you considered UnRAID and it's pool/parity approach? It also has trade-offs in terms of R/W speed, but it's easily expandable and tends to favour people who want a NAS that runs services.

In hardware terms, for a reasons I don't fully understand you often find people who get the idea to build a 'server' suddenly think they need to buy some ancient ex-corp box because it has xyz. They rarely - if ever - do. Don't buy someone else's e-waste, the term Xeon covers a lot of chips, they range from something that is almost identical to the equivalent generation of desktop chips to high core/power server/workstation CPU's that drop things like iGPU and have more PCIe lanes than most people know what to do with. The thing is those chips are designed to run in well cooled DC's and the hardware is often not flexible or designed for home use. Hot, noisy, fans at 100% if you install an uncertified card, no BIOS updates unless you have a support contract etc. It needs some time spent working out what you need. The elephant in the room is Ryzen, it was the global extinction event to Xeon in this market. Xeon was capable of decent performance, but Ryzen was capable of more while using significantly less power (memory was limited TBH, but nothing you have said gets remotely close to that being a consideration).

Pi-Hole was designed to be run on a first gen Pi, shockingly they're ancient and largely worthless (eg change hands for next to nothing), running DNS on an actual Pi can be a lot easier and means if you reboot your NAS, you don't loose DNS, if you don't understand why that may be better, then perhaps consider every time you do, anyone else trying to use the connection is likely to call you quite unflattering names, and part of learning invariably means trying things, making mistakes, wiping the lot, reboots and updates.

So, lets try this again, you'd like a NAS/server to run how many drives? You'll be doing what sort of work on it? eg storing media files you write and then play occasionally. Will you be wanting to run something like Plex? The win10 instance you mention, what will that be used for? What hardware do you have? Anything specific that you can think of that you need to run/do that may dictate hardware requirements eg game. Also, what's your budget? Do you hate the person who pays the power bill?

Answer those and you'll get much, much better advice that isn't just a bunch of people telling you what works for them rather than trying to recommend something useful for what you want to do.
lol i was mainly after a system to store all my files in witch a have qite a few TB in the 100s and don't want them roting away lol, every thing else was after thought, i have a windows 10 pc thats 24/7 shareing files that why i was asking about VM server and wanted to set sum thing up that stops adds at router that why i said like PI hole, will probly useing a hell of a lot of WD gold HDD's, i brought up TueNAS as it's first one that come to mind and i like the UI, i pay the power bill , i only had the idea to pick up a xeon coz there so cheap on ebay


what i'm looking for in a server

to be able to have a lot of HDD's
i was thinking raid 6
i will be sorting music program file, video files every single retro game ever to come out ect,
yes i wont to beable to copy them to server then play them off
ive never used plex my self proably not use that
the windows pc just share files
ECC ram


don't realy have budgit
 
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Assuming OP does actually want to do stuff involving lots (as in actually lots and not just 4 discs or something) of drives in RAID, etc. without the costs of stuff like Threadripper and other Ryzen HEDT offerings the Ryzen chips more equivalent to older Xeons are much more limited for pci-e lanes and storage performance/features despite having a lot of newer features in other areas and a power/performance advantage. (Which is why I leaned towards the E5-16xx chips as they offer similar performance to 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen while having a decent amount of overhead silicon quality wise so you can tune them for much lower power use than stock - but that does require some advanced tinkering. Some of the other Xeons are much more locked down BIOS wise especially if you don't have access to BIOS updates, etc.).



This is something often overlooked but I assumed here the OP would be building something more based around a workstation/desktop chassis using something like a single socket X79 board - you can still pick up the guts for this on places like Amazon and ebay, etc. often fairly cheap - though it is getting towards the end of the days for that - ~3 years back or so you'd get some decent mileage out of the kit, these days the life left on some of this still may be relatively short.

I mentioned in my first reply it wasn't necessarily the best option just something which works for me.
i'm defo going to need more than 4 drives lol ive got backups of every game from atari to first xbox backup lol, yep thats what i was thinking (workstation/desktop chassis)
 
For anyone reading the above and looking for a cheap AMD board

ASRock B450 Pro4 supports ECC and the PCI layout is adequate for most home servers, especially if you grab a GPU like the Zotac GT710 which only needs a PCIEx1 slot. Note none of the retail Ryzen APUs support ECC so if you want ECC you need a "normal" Ryzen.

In mine I have an NVME drive, a decent HBA and a 10Gb NIC and everything runs at max advertised speed with no PCIE constraints
cool will look in to that
 
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