Thinking of getting a bike, total noob and looking for advice...

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I work as a doorman about 5 or 6 nights a week and am spending between £72.50 and £87 a week on travel (Bussing it in and taxi'ng it back). It's a huge hit to be taking and I'm really considering getting a bike for the commute as it has to be cheaper than that, surely.

Few things to consider though is that I'm 6ft8 and quite heavy set and have been told I'll struggle on most bikes so what should I be looking at? I don't drive so have no experience on the roads other than as a passenger so should I do my CBT and get a 125 or actually take lessons as well?

My budget is probably going to be around a grand and after reading some threads I know I should get a 2nd hand bike, so where is a good place to look and not get saddled with a death trap?
 
Is that a total budget? A grand for bike, helmet, gear etc isn't really possible - you're looking at the following costs to do a CBT and buy a 125cc bike:

CBT £100-£120
125cc bike £1000-£1500
Gear (helmet, jacket, gloves etc) £300 minimum, more like £500.

The initial cost is high, but after that running costs are very very cheap especially for a 125.

Petrol - the worst 125 will do 80mpg, tax is pennies.
 
Without trying to put you off, if you've only a budget of a grand, you're going to have to make some serious compromises either in your personal safety, or the quality of the bike. As TallPaul mentioned, the running costs of a 125 really is pennies, but the initial outlay for any new biker, is considerably more than they anticipated/expected and I don't believe your budget is enough. This is not an essay to put you off by any means as bringing more people towards the light of motorcycles is what I'm all about, but I do want to be honest with my views being a biker of 10 years, living as part of a family of bikers.
Because of your height, you'll look like a gorilla on any 125, but if looks are a problem you want to factor in, you may want to check out one of the larger 125 bikes such as a Honda Varadero 125. This will blow your budget and then some before you even talk about a cbt or your gear though. You should be able to pick up a reasonable second hand Yamaha YBR 125, Honda CG 125 or Honda CBF 125 for £800-900 if you do a lot of searching and drive a hard bargain, but they will be few and far between without requiring expense on a new chain and sprocket set, or new tyres and will be a bit of a hunt on ebay, autotrader, mcn classifieds etc. Fortunately, the maintenance costs and parts for 125 bikes cost next to nothing, but expect to stretch to £1000 for the initial buy and first years worth of maintenance as you familiarise yourself with the bike. Bear in mind that there is a very real chance that you will crash this bike like the vast majority of us will have, whether it be from a simple miss-footing whilst rolling to a stop, a low speed accident with a few bruises or broken bones, to a more serious life threatening incident. With any luck, you only have to experience the embarrassment and damaged pride from dropping it, but you ought to be prepared to spend money to fix both it and you as well.

As for your riding gear, you should be expecting to pay another £300-500 at least, with your helmet being one of the most expensive items you buy. You should not cheap out on a helmet as this is one of the most important safety items and is the only thing that is going to save you from brain damage or death should you have a nasty accident. I would only ever recommend buying named brands as these tend to have the minimal compromises as far as rider safety is concerned. With most things, the more you spend, the more you will get out of the helmet. It is a consumable though, so any drops and you should look to replace it, and you should also look at replacing them every 5 years or so due to UV damage from the sun. Each manufacturer have their own recommendations based on the materials used. You can expect to pay anywhere from £130 from HJC, to £350-£500 for a non-graphic Arai, Shoei or Schuberth. With helmets, cost isn't quite everything and you should absolutely choose a better fitting helmet than the more expensive one and should only buy if you can try the helmet first, having worn it for 5-10 minutes to ensure that there are no pressure induced headaches or other issues with the helmet or your vision. You should also have it tested for fitting by a trained shop assistant as well to ensure that there is not excessive roll/free play with it on your head until such a time that you know exactly what you're doing when it comes to shopping for bike gear. As far as jackets, gloves and trousers go, try and pick out kit that has some form of shelltex, goretex or other similar waterproof lining built into the garments as waterproof over-kit tends to cause more sweating in my experience. The problem with this is as the quality and durability of these linings and the garments increase, so does the price considerably. As far as boots go, there's no need to go full motor-x armoured, but you should at least be looking at some form of shin and ankle armour which will come built into any reputable motorcycle footwear. Sidi are pretty much the go-to for most, but do try out the other brands as well, ensuring you have enough movement to pitch your foot up and down to operate the gear lever and rear brake, but not too much that in the event of an accident you are less guarded for doing serious damage to your foot. All boots will break in, so bear in mind that both stomping around like an elephant and operating the motorcycle will get lesser and easier over time.
 
Honestly guys, thank you so much for taking the time to get back to me, I should have been clearer I meant a grand was the budget for the bike but you've given me a lot of food for thought and I'm going to increase my budget to around £2,500 and try and get everything for around that if possible.

I do like the look of the Honda Varadero 125 as I think the others are going to be too much of a struggle for someone my size, a friend has recommended a Keeway Superlight LTD 125, what do you guys think about those bikes, I do like the way it looks to be fair.

I am not going to skimp on safety gear and take your advice on the goretex gear. Thanks guys
 
Leave the Chinese bikes alone. They're not great reliability wise, stick with a proper jap bike and not only will it not rust away to nothing but you'll get pretty much all your money bike if/when you come to sell it.
 
Stick with a varadero 125, I'm 6ft 3 and had one, they're bigger than a lot of 600cc bikes, only the L plate will give away that you're on a 125.

Depending how long your commute is, you probably won't need goretex gear as that gets very expensive - my texiles aren't cheap but they're far from the most expensive, I have a Furygan duke textile trousers and a Titan jacket - they are about £200 for each, so £400 in total. Furygan stuff is good for the taller rider, so try a shop which has stock of them.

Now my stuff doesn't keep me 100% dry in the most torrential of rain, my commute is 40-50 minutes and when it's properly raining I will get some damp bits on my t-shirt, mainly where the jacket and trousers meet at the front zip. Goretex won't help this, and water WILL find a way in eventually.

How far your commute is and whether you'll be doing it all year regardless of weather will dictate how good your kit needs to be. I do 200 miles a week, in all weather (including a ride home in the recent snow!) and so my kit needs to be good, so I have goretex gloves and boots, and decent textiles, and a decent Arai helmet. If you're doing less miles and/or in good weather only then you can get away with much cheaper kit.
 
Thanks again guys, basically I'm going to be using it to commute all year round, doing approximately 120 miles a week so I'll definitely take your advice on kit etc.

Diddums I will send you a message over in trust now mate.
 
Only other thought it power to weight. I have a friend who is 6'3 ish and can only get 50 out of his CG125, not for want of trying - he's just a big lad
 
At 17st my YBR was rather asthmatic and topped out under 60mph IIRC, ideally you need something that's right on the power limit which is 14/15bhp.
 
2.5k seems to be a good budget, that's about how much I put into getting going if you include insurance and whatnot. I got my bike this Saturday and have really enjoyed riding it, but I did not skimp with safety one bit!
 
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