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Thinking of upgrading from socket 1156? Maybe this will help.

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I have just changed from a Asus P7P55D-E Pro and i5 760 @4Ghz to a Asus Z87-A and 4670k. I was not really looking to change as the 760 @4Ghz was more than enough for my needs. However, a really good deal came up and i got the Z87-A and 4670k for £242 delivered. Both were brand new and still sealed!!

Finished building it up yesterday morning and got started on benching and overclocking. I am currently at 4.5Ghz with 1.280v vcore, 4200mhz uncore with 1.200v cache voltage. I am still finding my way around this new bios so there is more to come yet. Temps are silly on Haswell compared to my old 760. The 760 at 4ghz would not hit more than 55 degrees when running Linx. This 4670k hit's 70 degrees which for my cooling setup is high. Before you say 70 degrees is nothing, i have a pair of 120.3 rads mounted in a box on a windowsill sucking in air from outside that is only 12.4 degrees at the moment. So for my setup, 70 degrees is a lot.

First thing i noticed on the first boot was the speed of the bootup now that my sata3 SSD can stretch it's legs. It was limited to sata2 in my old board. Steam starts much fatser too and games load almost instantly. Unfortunately i only have one game with a built in benchmark, Just Cause 2, and that only showed a 3 fps gain no matter how fast the 4670k is running so that can't be a cpu limited game. No doubt MMO's like WoW would benefit more. Anyway, onto the benchies.



Hand brake was a 270mb trailer encoded to MP4. Single threaded performance in Super Pi shows a big gain with Haswell although the 760 holds it's own in the multi-threaded WPrime. Haswell is going to be a beauty for image editing.




One thing that stands out here is the memory latency is higher on Haswell than Lynnfield. This may be due to the 760 running a 200mhz bclk compared to the 4670k's 100mhz. I have yet to play with the memory with Haswell so there is a lot more bandwidth to be unlocked yet.



Not sure what to make of this lot. A 760 @4Ghz beats a 4670k at stock and does'nt get left too far behind. I guess it's a graphics benchmark more than anything though.

Basically if you do lots of image editing, multi threading etc, Haswell will be a big upgrade. Gaming i am not so sure due to not being able to bench any cpu limited games. The i5 760 once overclocked is still a very good cpu which just goes to show that it was such a value bang for buck cpu when launched. I only paid £124 for mine and that was the fastest i5 cpu at the time. Now the i5 4670k is £190+ at most retailers although there are deals to be had if you are patient and look around enough.

Anyway i hope this will help some of you in making your minds up about what to do.
 
***Bit of a update.***

One thing i have found with Haswell/Z87 is that it is extremely easy, once you know what you are doing (many thanks to Setter) to overclock the ram. I have been playing around with my Sammy greens and have currently got them running at 2133mhz rock solid at 1.5v. I even got the timings tighter than i ever had before. Currently they are at:-

Primary timings 9-10-10-21-1T

Secondary timings 6-108-7936-16-6-24-4-5-8

Third timings 4-6-6-19-5-5-4-7-7-9-9-9

I am very pleased with this as it's the best i have ever had out of this ram. My old P55 board would run them at 2000mhz 9-10-10-28 1T but with the seconds and thirds nowhere near as tight as that. The Aida64 memory bechmarks have increased massively now and the latency has reduced big time.

When i originally did the benchmarks on both P55 and Z87 i had the ram at 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 1T but just take a look at the scores now.

Mem Read
P55 with ram @1600mhz 22258MB/s
Z87 with ram @1600mhz 24326MB/s
Z87 with ram @2133mhz 32470MB/s

Mem write
P55 with ram @1600mhz 20350MB/s
Z87 with ram @1600mhz 25252MB/s
Z87 with ram @2133mhz 33323MB/s

Mem copy
P55 with ram @1600mhz 21427MB/s
Z87 with ram @1600mhz 24259MB/s
Z87 with ram @2133mhz 31526MB/s

Mem latency
P55 with ram @1600mhz 50.7ns
Z87 with ram @1600mhz 58.2ns
Z87 with ram @2133mhz 46.7ns


Another of the Aida64 benchmarks that showed a increase is the CPU Photoworxx benchmark

P55 with ram @1600mhz 10731mpixel/s
Z87 with ram @1600mhz 16918mpixel/s
Z87 with ram @2133mhz 22533mpixel/s


SuperPI 1.50 times have dropped considerably too

P55 with ram @1600mhz 1m 10.358sec
32m 9m 25.908sec
Z87 with ram @1600mhz 1m 8.128sec
32m 7m 13.010sec
Z87 with ram @2133mhz 1m 8.049sec
32m 7m 0.047sec

So close to getting below 7m on the 32m test!!!

As you can see, getting decent memory and clocking it shows big gains on Z87/Haswell so is well worth doing.
 
Cinebench R11.5 results

i5 760 @4Ghz, ram @1600mhz

OpenGL 49.11fps
CPU 5.41pts
CPU single core 1.37pts


i5 [email protected], ram @1600mhz

OpenGL 82.74fps
CPU 7.71pts
CPU single core 1.95pts


i5 [email protected], ram @2133mhz

OpenGL 87.12fps
CPU 7.71pts
CPU single core 1.96pts

Stock and 4Ghz 4670k scores with 1600mhz ram are also in the table above. CPU overclock makes the most difference in this.
 
I don't have a i7. If you read it properly it was a comparison from the i5 760 that i had before and the i5 4670k that i changed to. It's just before and after benchmarks to show what the "upgrade" gained and to help people sitting on the fence with a 750/760 to see if the change is worthwhile.
 
Thanks for the update pastymuncher, interested to see what my ram will do when i get everything setup. I dont think it will be as good as the samsung green. If they were not overpriced I would buy a set, wish I had bought some when they were cheap.

I can't believe how much they are now!! I paid £65 for 16GB back in March. Going to see if it stays stable with the full 16BG tomorrow.



nice bench marks but saying you don't notice any difference in games is wrong bench the right games and see there is big jumps in some games like skyrim arma , wow for eg. that's just a few off top of my head.

use stuff where the horsepower counts youll see the difference . go play a xbox game obviously it wont be much in it.


I told the truth. I can't notice any difference in any of the games that I play. I did say there would probably be a difference in the likes of a MMO though. I don't play Skyrim and have'nt played WoW for over a year now. I will give the Witcher 2 a blast tomorrow and see if there is any change with that.
 
Uncore is at 42x with 1.170v. Can't get it to go any higher even with 1.25v. Quite happy with my ram now. I have the full 16Gb running with no extra tweaking needed. It was a pain to get 16Gb running on my old P55 board at 2000mhz. I could easily break the 7m barrier in superPI 32m just by clocking the cpu back to 4.7Ghz but i just want to use the pc now. I have been tweaking and benching for a week already.
 
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