Third Gender Identity for Germany

TheOracle said:
2019 kicks off in true style, picking up where 2018 left us.

BBC News - Germany adopts third gender identity for intersex people

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46727611

Baaaa moooooo oink
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The particular madness being that Intersex people generally don't want this. I only know a couple of Intersex people (both Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) and neither like being classed as "trans". In fact, one is very vocal on the subject that the trans movement should stop co-opting his medical condition to try and prove "sex is a spectrum". As he says, "Intersex people have a gender. We just have a body that is different". You can look at statements on support groups for Intersex conditions like AIS and see statements by them disassociating themself from this stuff. Intersex people have been around forever. This isn't for them and the article hides a wealth of inaccuracy. This will do more harm than good.
 
I think you may have missed what this is actually about. I dont think it is about "trans".
People who do not fit the biological definition of male or female can now choose the category "diverse" on official documents.

Those choosing the option will need a doctor's certificate to register.

Intersex people are born with both male and female sex characteristics, which can appear at birth or later in life.

Other countries have approved laws in recent years to help recognise intersex people.

Austria's constitutional court made a similar ruling to Germany's in June, while Australia, New Zealand, Malta, India and Canada have all passed measures to redress issues facing intersex citizens.

Germany previously allowed intersex people to opt out of choosing either male or female as a gender in 2013.

But in 2017 the country's top court ruled it was discrimination to deny people a gender, after a person registered as female had a chromosome test confirming they were neither sex.
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They get to choose if they wish.
 
Thing is even if those who do actually have a medical condition came out and said no stop talking rubbish to those who insist on it being anything but a life style choice (to those without medical issues), they have allowed it to fester and become what it is today.

Instead of being told "no" they have been encouraged to support complete rubbish that goes against science itself. Not to say that intersex isn't a thing, its a well documented medical condition that applies to a tiny percentage of the population (<0.1%).
 
Tony Edwards said:
I think you may have missed what this is actually about. I dont think it is about "trans".
They get to choose if they wish.
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I read the article. The article is superficial and inaccurate. This is largely brought about by the current trans activist movement which the Intersex community largely rejects but which the trans movement keeps trying to use to justify such things.
 
h4rm0ny said:
I read the article. The article is superficial and inaccurate. This is largely brought about by the current trans activist movement which the Intersex community largely rejects.
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You might notice my post was close to the time you posted so hadnt read your post at that time. From what I read it has nothing to do with the Trans community. If this is about trans then maybe we wont get men transitioned to women athletes smashing female at birth athletes to the ground. Surely you would be happy about that?
 
Em3bbs said:
Why do people get so triggered by things like this when it doesn't affect them one iota?
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Go read the other thread about this, it's about a whole ideology being pushed onto children.

As that is what it is, an ideology who thinks confused/vulnerable children are messed up due to gender problems.

It was introduced on some school in Brighton where lots of kids are now trans. Some of them may well undergo operations which are irreversible. Thus being damaged forever.
 
Tony Edwards said:
You might notice my post was close to the time you posted so hadnt read your post at that time. From what I read it has nothing to do with the Trans community. If this is about trans then maybe we wont get men transitioned to women athletes smashing female at birth athletes to the ground. Surely you would be happy about that?
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I would be. But I can't see it making a difference. For people like Caster Semenya, who the BBC article would suggest this law is for, it wouldn't make a difference. They were only identified as not truly female later in life (their testicles are inside their body). Honestly, for most Intersex people the best thing as a child is to treat them as a normal kid of their nearest sex, in my opinion. And that's traditionally what we've done. For others, like Hannah Mousey, it again wouldn't make a difference because they're actually biological guys who suddenly decided one day they identified as women. Hannah Mousey doesn't want to be a "third gender", he wants to be a woman and so that's what he'll select when he files the gender change form.

I mean, if an adult wanted to be neither sex, I can see allowing that legally in some ways so I'm not going to go off on one like I do on some related issues, but I don't see this as a good thing for children so labelled, honestly and I think it will be used by parents like that US group who are all raising their children to be non-gendered.
 
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