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No but it's on my to watch list.
Is it worth it - heard it's a bit brutal.
Is it worth it - heard it's a bit brutal.
Very naive film in some aspects, to be honest, like the portrait of peaceful bunch of friendly skinheads who protect school kids from bullies, hang out with minorities and apart from looking a bit like Bronsky Beat fan club on pride night down the Bromptons Bar just having good time until their commune is spoiled by a single ex con nazi pig. I understand the idea was to rehash the myth of Trad Skins and "no, no, you've got it wrong - we claimed the name back" S.H.A.R.P. side of Skin movement. But to me it's just a little like watching naive, far fetched story about art loving, landscape painting, flower sniffing, opera listening SS officers forced by ruthless superiors to poke some people around concentration camps to their heartbrake and psychological torment.
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I've seen it VERY good film , there was another thread on this if you want more info do a seach for it 
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v0n said:
The thing is if you watched The South Bank Show you will realise that it was a true story and happened like that.
It was not a portrayal of what Skinheads were really like, basically the lads he was hanging around with were playing at it until the psycho came.
dmpoole said:
I still think the whole story, regardless of being based on true event, was idealized and filtered through the eyes of some teenager or kid - and it somehow makes me uncomfortable. "We were good and peaceful skinheads until a psycho had too many beers one evening". You were what? Doing what? Are you for real?
Looking from any other perspective - you have a black dude hanging around with skinheads - granted some of them were possibly somewhat confused and mistaken skins for boyscounts, but in a long run - in all seriousness - what would you expect to happen?
It is in many ways almost as naive as Marshal Mathers self proclaimed, based on real events "8 Mile" martyrology tale of a ghetto bruv with somewhat pale skin doin' hustle in da hood, for shizzle his whizzle, other white kids would die in da ghetto but Marshall (cue beat box bum bum) wuz hippidy hoppin all da way to his bruvvas hearts. Yo. (snap fingers & hand into shape of gun gesticulation).
This is reverse scenario. Children and black kids join da white powah in the hood. With uh, oh, surprising outcome.
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v0n said:
Sorry but totally disagree with you.
I've seen the film, seen the SBS show if it, and in my mind the story was told from the eyes of a 12 year old. At 12 years you don't know much about politics and various movements so what you follow you generally believe. So to say that the 'kid' idealized the events is what most children would do at that age.
Personally I thought the film was fantastic.
There was quite a bit of multi culturism at the beginning of the Skinhead movement mainly due to Ska music, after all Desmond Decker's ''The Israelites' was a skinhead anthem.
It was quite a bit later when the parallel white trousers with turn ups got even wider that things turned nasty.
It was quite a bit later when the parallel white trousers with turn ups got even wider that things turned nasty.
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v0n said:
Back in the late 60's early 70's blacks did hang around with Skinheads, I know because I was there. I wasn't a skinhead but a bonehead and we shared a lot in common with blacks especially the music. It was a few years later when Skinheads were hijacked by NF policies and it took the Punk movement to get blacks and whites together again.
I watched this only last night. An interesting film to say the least. I do think my understanding of the whole thing was impaired a little by me not being around in that era. Yet their target audience is directed at teenagers?
I was left a little confused though by the lack of punks in the film. I thought the punk era really came about in the 80's, which is when the film was set. Perhaps Smelly's wild haircut and makeup was a little hint of a punk-ness? Or maybe I have got my history all wrong, I always thought the Punk movement was born out of the skinheads.
I was left a little confused though by the lack of punks in the film. I thought the punk era really came about in the 80's, which is when the film was set. Perhaps Smelly's wild haircut and makeup was a little hint of a punk-ness? Or maybe I have got my history all wrong, I always thought the Punk movement was born out of the skinheads.
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The film is set in 1983 and Skinheads had been around since the late 60's early 70's. They were one of those fashions that had stayed around for years but their ideals had changed to involve racism by 83.
Punks came out in 76 and by 83 had virtually died out but in 83 was the fashions of Two Tone/Ska/Futurists/New Romantics.
Punks came out in 76 and by 83 had virtually died out but in 83 was the fashions of Two Tone/Ska/Futurists/New Romantics.
dmpoole said:
Is it just me or has the whole idea of movements and groups died out suddenly. It seems like after short surge of third generation Goths in late ninenties nowadays there are only hoodies, hoodies and erm.. hoodies? Or is just because I live in Chatham?
