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Because i suggested it YEARS AGO and everyone on the tech forums I post on laughed at my suggestions.
You only need battery power to get to the main trunk routes. You can have inductive charging strips embedded in the carriageways to then charge/power your vehicles.

You don't need to cover the entire distance, just mile sections at a time. etc.
The government would probably even decree onboard charge metering so they keep their revenue from road transport.
(Yes that sucks but in reality you don't get owt for nowt!)

Electric vehicles have long been a promising option for sustainable transportation. They come with practical headaches like expensive, bulky batteries that often need recharging, however. Israel is tackling those hurdles by investing in roads that power electric buses—as they ride down the street. The government is collaborating with Israeli start-up ElectRoadto install a public bus route in Tel Aviv, using an under-the-pavement wireless technology that eliminates the need for plug-in recharging stations.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ireless-charging-roads-for-electric-vehicles/
 
Didn't James May have an idea like this for motorways? Cars would have a big stick like a dodgem, then they can run off the power provided by an overhead grid. If there was an accident, or heavy traffic, and the speed needed to be reduced, turn the power down. :p

I still worry about where all of this electric is going to come from though.
 
Even better, turn the roads in to big magnets. Voila Hover Cars!

I saw something on a tech show about somewhere doing the in-road charging system but they said at the moment the power transmission loss involved over large distances meant that the ever evolving battery technology / capacity made it more efficient to charge while parked. Would be good for things like haulage though, especially when automated as they'll just keep going non-stop.
 
Ryan-3 said:
Didn't James May have an idea like this for motorways? Cars would have a big stick like a dodgem, then they can run off the power provided by an overhead grid. If there was an accident, or heavy traffic, and the speed needed to be reduced, turn the power down. :p

I still worry about where all of this electric is going to come from though.
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We can run new power stations on petrol and diesel. There'll be plenty left over... :D
 
I have also bee suggesting similar for years. You could start with the motorway network, and you could charge per mile for the use of the motorways to cover the charging costs. The motorways could also be flanked with windmills and solar panels to help with keeping them electrified.

Realistically, moving forward, something like this has to be implemented. On the go wireless charging could then almost negate the need for charging stops on EV's. Making them a more likely goto for the heaviest polluters, such as professional drivers / travelling salespeople, who may do 30k+ per year. Since a lot of the negative aspects of EV's would be negated.

Tolls could be used to offset against the governmental revenue loss due to decreased petrol and diesel sales. With small discounts I guess on the tolls for ICE vehicles that wouldn't be using the charging (but as they are still paying duties on fuel, they would be paying more overall). EV drivers could then be paying "similar" charges for using the road network as they would be paying for fuel using efficient ICE cars (maybe a bit less to make the move worth it), so the governments revenue stream could be kept in-tact, ICE cars still pay more than EV cars, but fuel duties could be slowly reduced as the wireless road network gradually built up, keeping revenues the same roughly, while at the same time renewing the road network.
 
Ryan-3 said:
Didn't James May have an idea like this for motorways? Cars would have a big stick like a dodgem, then they can run off the power provided by an overhead grid. If there was an accident, or heavy traffic, and the speed needed to be reduced, turn the power down. :p

I still worry about where all of this electric is going to come from though.
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It's already been done.

Having just been to Switzerland and seen it. Regular buses which can operate off grid but can hook up when in an electric grid area.

There's more to it than just installing and going when talking about personal vehicles of multiple makes and drivers who deviate off electrified routes like tools etc!

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Sin_Chase said:
It's already been done.

Having just been to Switzerland and seen it. Regular buses which can operate off grid but can hook up when in an electric grid area.

There's more to it than just installing and going when talking about personal vehicles of multiple makes and drivers who deviate off electrified routes like tools etc!

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This isn't new at all we had trolley buses in the 20's in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus A very good idea which could warrant a come back when combined with the latest EV tech.

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Never said it was new, just has been done and is currently in use on other applications. There is a reason or more precisely many reasons why it's not that easy to just implement for personal EVs
 
solar roadways with wind turbines, wireless power transfer and smaller lighter batteries in the cars would provide enough. roadway's can power national grid or even local power banks, both can feed into roads in the darker hours. Solar powered tops on cars and HGV trailers all adding power.

As technology improves it will become more efficient, batteries become more efficient and cheaper it all increases the chances that this kind of solution can work well. It's just the initial outlay.
 
the amounts of power needed to power thousands of cars on a stretch of motorway would way outstrip capacity of cables etc. it's a great idea, but will take a clever bit of thinking / engineering to be able to make it happen.
 
doesnt sweden already have this for lorries?

it has potential, but only really viable for major roads, and theres plenty of places in the uk that will be far enough off grid to make it a pain for people living there still.

the old trolley busses suffered by a lack of battery power, it wasnt uncommon for a line to jump off and the driver would need to hook it back on with a big stick, onto a high voltage line.... good thing health and safety hadn't been invented yet and people didn't mind the spectacle.

it would be better to have an overhead and in-road line rather than 2 overheads, that way you can use a wide bar connector like trams/trains use on the top and something not too dissimilar to a scalextrix connector on the bottom.

of course as stuman rightly points out powering this kind of system will be a pain, as well as maintaining it, especially if we're gonna be using it for personal cars too.

the thing i find funny with ideas like this is just how much we need to do to replace the good ol' ic engine, electric and steam power have been battling ic for as long as its existed yet for more than 100 years it's held its crown.
 
I take a good 10 mile stretch of the A1 on my commute. It's riddled with potholes and the centre is frankly ****** and has been for years. If we can't manage to maintain tarmac properly, how are we expected to install and maintain smarter roads?
 
Sin_Chase said:
It's already been done.

Having just been to Switzerland and seen it. Regular buses which can operate off grid but can hook up when in an electric grid area.

There's more to it than just installing and going when talking about personal vehicles of multiple makes and drivers who deviate off electrified routes like tools etc!

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I saw a bus driver have to get out and hook it back up one time when I was there.

switzerlands public transport network is light years ahead of the UK's and it's not even considered modern to them because a lot of the trains are so old but still better than ours.
 
sovietspybob said:
This isn't new at all we had trolley buses in the 20's in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus A very good idea which could warrant a come back when combined with the latest EV tech.

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My Grandfather drove trolley buses, I have been saying for ages they should bring them back, much cleaner than diseasals and soooo quiet. Can eqasily add a diesel genny for off grid outlying areas like wrights did with their hybrid, albeit hopefully a better one than a 1900cc vauxhall!
 
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