This place really **** me off

Minibiker

Minibiker

Minibiker

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Hi all

Another thread by me about my **** depot... I had to take 2 days off recently as my wife was in hospital over night due to reduced movements with our baby...

They've decided they don't want to pay me for these 2 days as i wasnt sick i was looking after my 22 month old...

The thing i dont understand is that my wife wasnt home and my son had nowhere else to go so what am i supposed to do leave him home alone...

Where do i stand with this??

Im that wound up right now im tempted to leave this place :mad::mad:
 
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AFAIK they're not obliged to pay you

check whether there is anything in your contract, any literature on some company intranet site about employee benefits etc.. or some agreement with any relevant trade union(if you're a union member) as there might be some policy stating they do pay you and perhaps the local HR/Payrole people have made a mistake - but that is your only hope AFAIK, that the company has some policy on it... because otherwise you've not worked, you're not sick and so you're not going to get paid

I guess you could ask to count it as part of your annual leave or something
 
Poor employer is poor.

A decent company should allow for some emergency family leave (or similar) under such circumstances. Is there any chance that there is an actual policy or an expectation that managerial discretion might be applied about this that the person you have been dealing with does not understand? Do you know whether any of your colleagues has had a similar situation and if so whether they were paid?
 
Time off for dependants: an introduction. The law gives you the right to a reasonable amount of time off work to deal with emergencies involving your dependants. This is sometimes referred to as compassionate leave The law does not, however, give you the right to be paid for that time off.
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That's from a quick googling. In the old days they could have treated it as an unauthorized absence I guess which would have been worse.

Sucks, but this is one of the many things parents have to put up with.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, Im going to look at my contract later when im home, I am really disgusted at how they can say they aint paying me for it, My wife was in unbareable pain and being monitored all night up the hospital... Its not as if she had a cold and was in bed... Shes heavily pregnant and can barely move :mad:

Next time ill be a horrible husband and tell her to man up and look after our son not go up hospital :confused:
 
Why would you be disgusted? I don't mean to sound harsh but you've not worked the hours, so why should you get paid. That's of course unless you have some kind of term in your contract to cover such absences then I can see why you would be peeved off. However if that's the case, it's probably a mistake and a quick remedy.
 
At our place we don't pay agents who are absent for any reason, lateness, doctor appointments, sickness nor dependent leave.

We've got the unions sniffing all over us for various reasons but there's nothing they can do, legally, about that as it is in their contract.
 
Mr Badger said:
A decent company should allow for some emergency family leave (or similar) under such circumstances
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They did, and it's the law to allow him that time off anyway (quite strictly defined as well) OP is just upset he didn't get paid for the time he didn't work, which they are under no obligation to.
 
Mr Badger said:
Poor employer is poor.

A decent company should allow for some emergency family leave (or similar) under such circumstances. Is there any chance that there is an actual policy or an expectation that managerial discretion might be applied about this that the person you have been dealing with does not understand? Do you know whether any of your colleagues has had a similar situation and if so whether they were paid?
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I personally apply a certain amount of discretion when deciding whether my team get paid for absence, and I agree, a decent employer will try to do so.

But, our call centre agents simply take the **** when it comes to absence so the company has to take the hard line and it causes absolute carnage if an agent finds out they've been treated differently to another.
 
Minibiker said:
Granted i didnt work the hours but neither do people who stay at home with a cold :confused: mines a tad more important than a cold or the **** so why do they feel the need not to pay me
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Are you paid by the hour or by the shift? (you mention in the other thread that you're paid weekly)

If you work later than usual/work 10 hour shifts one week say instead of 8 hours or come in for a Saturday morning etc.. would you expect extra pay from them?

If the answer is yes to those then it sort of works both ways, you get paid for the hourly work you do - if you don't do those hours then you're not getting paid. (unless this is in some contract they have with you where they've accounted for allowing a few days for situations like this across the workforce)

If you're sick it potentially effects other workers and there is legislation covering sickness and what they're obliged to pay you.

On the other hand if you are paid monthly and are not paid by the hour but subject to an annual pay review then it makes little difference if you miss a day - you're paid based on what you deliver/produce for them and not necessarily how many hours you work in a particular day, you might perhaps work extra time on additional days to catch up with work anyway after missing a day or two or perhaps you might have been ahead with your work anyway etc..
 
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Your employer doesn't value you as an employee. Bring it up with HR if you want to but honestly I'd be looking for a new job.

My wife is 32 and is losing her vision due to glaucoma and suffers from M.E to top it off. She's had numerous operations over the years and both my previous and current employer have bent over backwards to help me out.

If I need a day off for an emergency appointment then it's never a problem. They ask me if I want to take it as a holiday, as a sick day or unpaid. Usually I just take unpaid as I can make the hours up over the weekend but it's never ever been a problem.
 
Minibiker said:
Granted i didnt work the hours but neither do people who stay at home with a cold :confused: mines a tad more important than a cold or the s***s so why do they feel the need not to pay me
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well yes, but as previously mentioned that's because the people w/ a cold have something wrong w/ THEM. you didn't. you want to have a family and children you have to accept there are negatives as well as positives, i'm getting real sick of people who think they entitled to so much more than others just because they have kids.
 
I'd not want to take it as annual leave, I'd not want my pay docked either.. however I'm not paid hourly etc.. if I was paid hourly or expected overtime whenever I worked a bit longer etc.. then I'd not expect to receive the same pay check if I worked a bit less thanks to taking a day or two off for childcare.

I think if you're paid monthly and you have to take a few days off during the year to look after a child then you have the option to catch up with any work you fall behind on so would expect to get paid still... if however it affects your performance/you're not able to catch up then you're probably not going to get much of a pay rise or bonus (if at all).
 
Unplanned absence can and does cause huge problems, you can't simply think only moral reasons should be taken into account, if you don't turn up for work and it wasn't planned then you shouldn't feel entitled to be paid. I think for you it's made all the worse because financially this means you could struggle to make ends meet and iirc your boss has already given you money upfront?

Your boss has already been quite helpful and generous from what you've previously posted, you still aren't happy so instead of threatening every week in your head to leave just make a plan to do it and get out for your own health and the well-being of those you're providing for, going on like this is just going to ruin you.
 
What your employer has done is completely normal. You weren't sick, your dependent was - therefore you had TOD which is unpaid.
Why did you think you've been mistreated?
 
Ayahuasca said:
Unplanned absence can and does cause huge problems, you can't simply think only moral reasons should be taken into account, if you don't turn up for work and it wasn't planned then you shouldn't feel entitled to be paid. I think for you it's made all the worse because financially this means you could struggle to make ends meet and iirc your boss has already given you money upfront?

Your boss has already been quite helpful and generous from what you've previously posted, you still aren't happy so instead of threatening every week in your head to leave just make a plan to do it and get out for your own health and the well-being of those you're providing for, going on like this is just going to ruin you.
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Yep, i work for an outsourcer.

We get only get paid the full amount if we supply within 5% of what the client requires in every hour of the day.

Unauthorised or late requests for absence can throw all our plans out and we end up running accounts at a loss.

If that goes on too long either we pull the contract as it's loss making or the client pulls it because it affects the service to their customers.

In those cases the minority of people who consistently fail to turn up for work at the time asked of them can cause the loss of hundreds of jobs.
 
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