Thoughts on Excessive Speed

i'm only pee taking now to be fair. folks have all different kinds of views on the cause of road accidents and no one factor should be focussed on while ignoring others. there's just some very easy targets posting in here which makes it all too easy. :p
 
Thanks for a direct answer. Unfortunately, my view is that 20 in a 20 is outrageously dangerous if the road is covered in ice, or passes a school at kicking out time, or a dozen other examples.

If you can accept that the number on the sign is NOT an arbiter of safety, then you're halfway there. The next step is to understand that if it is possible for it to be extremely dangerous to travel at the speed limit in some circumstances, in other circumstances it is possible for that speed limit to be exceeded by an amount which doesn't significantly compromise safety. Rarely if ever is the speed limit a number at which travelling along the road is universally safe, nor exceeding it universally dangerous.

There is always a speed which is excessive for the prevailing conditions. Which is the entire point.

What you're failing to account for is that most people are simply too thick to sensibly assess the risks and drive at an appropriate speed, so the government has taken the sensible approach, and done so for them (to a point).

Anyone saying "drive to the conditions" is an idiot.

I disagree. The problem is that people don't consider things like that chance of mechanical failure or road debris, or other people doing stupid things to be part of those conditions. Even obvious things like "I'm tired, maybe my reactions will be impaired so I should slow down" seem to pass people by...
 
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I got caught speeding for the first time recently. Only went over the limit for a few seconds to overtake someone driving annoying and slow.

It's still nice to have a fast car, just make sure you drive it fast in the right place and with the right conditions.

Also it's a good idea to stay below 80 now that the 10% +3 rule has changed to 10% +2!

10% + whatever ISN'T a rule, never has been. It's a piece of guidance & not one that any officer in any force is obliged to take notice of.

If an officer wants to issue you with a FPN for 1mph over they can.
 
10% + whatever ISN'T a rule, never has been. It's a piece of guidance & not one that any officer in any force is obliged to take notice of.

If an officer wants to issue you with a FPN for 1mph over they can.

Also depends force to force unless that has changed recently - around where I am it is a mixture of 10% + 3 and worrying more about people who drive dangerously than necessarily speed and 10% + 2 but will pretty much try and do you for 1MPH over the limit if they can.
 
I disagree. The problem is that people don't consider things like that chance of mechanical failure or road debris
just have to look at the people who have complained about pot-holes taking out their wheels/tyres, examples of poor observation on unfamiliar roads, and inability to drive to conditions - let him without sin
 
Anyone saying "drive to the conditions" is an idiot. Even on the clearest day, smoothest asphalt, with the most fastidiously maintained vehicle, a million things can go wrong, and this is not even factoring driver skill. I've seen loads of people I wouldn't trust to drive at 10mph let alone 150mph on an autobahn, regardless of the conditions.
not sure you understand what people mean when they say it. I don't think they mean if the conditions are clear you go as fast as your car can go.....
more that if it's icy or foggy and belting it down with rain you don't drive really fast, including possibly driving under the speet limit.
 
i'd bet good money you won't get one, at least not one that's remotely accurate.

folk on here seem to be taking it personally when others point out that speed is a major contributing factor to the chance of a fatality occurring when a car crashes, or that speed can have be a relevant factor in a crash happening in the first place. so you're seeing a lot of whataboutery, silliness and in some instances just plain nonsense.
personally I accept speed is a contributory factor..... at the start of the thread naively thought it was a friendly chat and was perhaps more bantery than I should have been
but the thing which pees me off and not accusing anyone here is that speed usually gets the blame.and just bad driving is ignored.

so sure driving too fast esp in built up traffic can be dangerous... but I wish people (mostly the police but just everyday people as well) would actually pull people up for tail gating, as well as hogging the middle and 3rd over taking lane, and just using a bloody indicator to give other road users a warning they are going to pull out.
 
Pretty sure of them do mean just that!

But agree with the rest of your post.

I'm not sure they do, except perhaps Kindai :D

For me (and for Roadcraft etc), conditions means that there might be other road users etc etc around. Stopping in the distance you can see to be clear at big speeds is likely impossible on almost any UK road, for example, so that rules out a lot of the really incendiary stuff...
 
at the start of the thread naively thought it was a friendly chat and was perhaps more bantery than I should have been
but the thing which pees me off and not accusing anyone here is that speed usually gets the blame.and just bad driving is ignored.
My apologies if I’ve given the impression bad driving should be ignored. It most certainly shouldn’t, bad driving is something I imagine we’re all more likely to have to deal with than on a regular basis than the ‘vroom vroom’ boys. My own personal peeve is more or less the mirror opposite of yourself, some folk (not you) seem to want to ignore the effect speed has.

It’s just a shame some people (again not you!) seem to take things so personally in a debate.
 
I've had fast cars in the past. The issue these days is that the quiet roads are full of potholes, and the half decent roads are full of traffic. It's no fun sat in a fast car not going anywhere, unless you want it for posing in.

My neighbour has just bought an old RS5, it's had some work done on it as the exhaust sounds like a nuclear bomb detonating. He sits on the driveway for 10mins revving it before going back indoors :cry: He's mid 30s which makes it a bit sad.

Too many cars, too many idiots (I'm convinced a lot of people in my town are on medication).
 
My neighbour has just bought an old RS5, it's had some work done on it as the exhaust sounds like a nuclear bomb detonating. He sits on the driveway for 10mins revving it before going back indoors :cry: He's mid 30s which makes it a bit sad.

Sounds like the guy across the road from me. Except it's a Ford SportsKa, and he's in his 50s...

so sure driving too fast esp in built up traffic can be dangerous... but I wish people (mostly the police but just everyday people as well) would actually pull people up for tail gating, as well as hogging the middle and 3rd over taking lane, and just using a bloody indicator to give other road users a warning they are going to pull out.

Whilst not indicating is one of my pet hates, what's even worse is people who DO indicate, and then treat those flashing orange lights as an impenetrable forcefield which gives them free reign to do whatever stupid thing it is they want to do. The most common (and dangerous) one is when you're on a motorway/dual carriageway overtaking a few cars, and one of them decides to indicate and pull out straight away a metre in front of you with a 20mph speed difference.

Unfortunately speeding is an easy one to both catch and prove with a (relatively) cheap camera, whereas poor driving is far more ambiguous and harder to detect automatically. As far as tailgating goes though, surely average speed cameras are already equipped to do so. In order to calculate your average speed, they must log the time you pass a certain spot with some level of accuracy, so surely it would be relatively trivial to determine if 2 cars pass that same spot with < 2 seconds between them?

Edit: Yes, apparently it has been done (maybe not with existing average speed cameras, but seems it is possible):https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...rs-to-use-the-two-second-rule-in-new-campaign

Wonder why they did the research and then didn't bother to roll out further & start prosecuting?
 
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I've had fast cars in the past. The issue these days is that the quiet roads are full of potholes, and the half decent roads are full of traffic. It's no fun sat in a fast car not going anywhere, unless you want it for posing in.

My neighbour has just bought an old RS5, it's had some work done on it as the exhaust sounds like a nuclear bomb detonating. He sits on the driveway for 10mins revving it before going back indoors :cry: He's mid 30s which makes it a bit sad.

Too many cars, too many idiots (I'm convinced a lot of people in my town are on medication).


Were lucky where we are, still plenty of roads very quiet to enjoy been so close to Peak district helps, but you do generally need a smaller call to enjoy them, hence buying a Caterham for some fun.

Driving standards seem to be dropping massively, this morning there is a horse rider, first car decides to sit right behind them not over taking on a straight road with no cars coming, then as they come to the bend they decide to overtake whilst literally driving into the hedge opposite. Signs of a driver with zero confidence but then proceeding to be dangerous. If a car had been coming opposite way it would have ended very badly and all down to lack of confidence and poor judgement, no excessive speed involved. Watching it all unfold I literally sat several car lengths back and far away expecting a major accident.

Then the next car behind them then proceeds to overtake so close and drive alongside the horse instead of accelerating pass, causing distress to the horse. Again driving so slow and poorly potentially causing another accident.

Then my turn comes, I await for the cars who performed their terrible overtakes to accelerate away so when I go pass I do so totally on the opposite side of road as if overtaking a lorry and do so in a high gear to get pass swiftly without causing noise and further distress to the horse. I was in the 600 LT so not the easiest car to keep quiet and a wide car at that.

The problem I am seeing is people seem so nervous, so slow on the roads they are actually causing accidents, I truly felt sorry for the horse and rider as it was clear the horse was so alarmed by the car which sat riding alongside them for so long and the first car no doubt did not help by driving into the verge.

Driving standards and pot holes seem out the window.

Excessive speed I feel though an issue is far less an issue than bad driving or people been distracted by mobile phones or cars full of stupid touch screen buttons, it is always excessive speed been blamed but I feel there are far greater issues and accidents been caused simply due to bad driving, poor driving or drivers been distracted either by themselves with mobiles/infotainment or passengers.

To give you an idea of truly alarming driving, I was with a friend in his bright yellow Ferrari (not mine), were in the fast lane coming down a dual carriage way (70 limit) doing around 75mph, I spot a car wanting to join the dual carriage-way and instantly spot their road position seems weird, so I warn him they might do something stupid so he stays in the fast lane instead of moving over left. There is no other cars, we are easy to see as visibility is excellent and the road is straight with a roundabout about a further 1/2 mile down the road.

The driver in the red car proceeds to pull out as we are on top of them, were now doing circa 60mph as he heeded my warnings, even worse the driver then moves into our lane (the fast lane) my friend has to emergency brake and use the gears to get the speed off to the point I literally believe we hit them, his car had new tyres and brakes a month ago, the best tyres, we only just stopped short of hitting them by literally an inch or two at best.

The driver then moves over to left lane as they are turning left at the roundabout, I was so mad I was literally hanging out the passenger window calling this driver every name under the sun, to which the women flipped me the bird, so she got fully abused as she essentially was so close to causing a pile up, then the car that was behind us pulls between us both, an older gentlemen and wife who then proceed to hurl abuse at the women driver who pulled out on us and checked we were ok as they also firmly believed we hit them and they were so close to crashing into the back of us.

This is driving standards today, pulling out on a dual carriage way and then moving into the fast lane causing a very near miss to then just pull back to the left to turn left, I felt bad after as I went bat crazy mental at the old couple in the car but feel if that is their driving standards it won't be long until they kill someone.
 
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@Gibbo I honestly think medication plays a big part. Lots of people on pills these days which can cause drowsiness. It's not just driving mistakes when moving, I've witnessed people stopping at green lights and then going at red. Just last week I saw someone drive straight through a giveway junction nearly colliding with another car. Too many for it to be general incompetence.
 
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Too many for it to be general incompetence.

You don't interact with the general public on a daily basis I take it?

I mean, take a look at our government. They are supposed to be the best of us, and yet...

IMO the problem is simply that there aren't enough police on the roads (well... in general) to a) catch people driving like ****, or b) even give people a reason to give a ****. As Gibbo says, distraction is a big problem - everyone has a mobile phone, and obviously checking your TikTok feed is way more important than watching where you are going. Chances of getting caught are practically non-existent. Had to have a word with a guy stopped in the middle of the road in Morrisons car park the other day, blocking traffic, just playing with his phone - his response: "Whut? Oh.. yeah sorry *shrug*". Almost got taken out by someone else who came flying round a blind corner half way on the pavement, again phone held up in front of their face. Starting to wonder if I need to wear a bodycam as well as having a dashcam in the car!
 
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You don't interact with the general public on a daily basis I take it?

I mean, take a look at our government. They are supposed to be the best of us, and yet...

IMO the problem is simply that there aren't enough police on the roads (well... in general) to a) catch people driving like ****, or b) even give people a reason to give a ****. As Gibbo says, distraction is a big problem - everyone has a mobile phone, and obviously checking your TikTok feed is way more important than watching where you are going. Chances of getting caught are practically non-existent. Had to have a word with a guy stopped in the middle of the road in Morrisons car park the other day, blocking traffic, just playing with his phone - his response: "Whut? Oh.. yeah sorry *shrug*". Almost got taken out by someone else who came flying round a blind corner half way on the pavement, again phone held up in front of their face. Starting to wonder if I need to wear a bodycam as well as having a dashcam in the car!

I walk around town on a daily basis. Lots of people looking like they are in a world of their own, glazed eyes, starring into space, to the point they walk up to a shops front door, and then stop for a good few seconds looking like they have completely lost the plot. That's a symptom of medication to treat depression/anxiety.

This morning when pulling into works car park, someone was stood in the middle of the road.....just stood there. I parked up and was going to see if they were ok, but once I got back to the road they had gone.

Yes, I'm sure people are on their phones whilst driving, but even so you don't stop at a green light, then wait for it to change red. I'm not saying everyone is drugged up, just a lot of people......or at least, a lot where I live :cry:

Actually, the situation is even worse if it's not drugs :eek:
 
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