Thoughts on the sony strdn 1080

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Currently have a yamaha 1073 but want to change things round in the living room a bit. The alcove is 336mm in depth and the yamaha is 435mm so sticks out quite a bit . See my post in home cinema section to see what I have. I want to just have two thick oak shelves in the alcove and the sony would fit quite nicely. Would this be a nice sidestep?
 
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My Yamaha is too deep for my alcove too but have you considered making the shelves protrude out? Can actually look quite good.
 
I think the sony amp is well regarded and I don't think you will have any issues. I find my Yamaha sounded a bit different to my Denon but I don't know how they compare to Sony unfortunately.

Must admit having such a deep amplifier does annoy me too at times. Mine hangs over the shelf a few inches.
 
My thinking is put up a stud wall to hide all the cables behind and cut enough out for the sony case to snug right up so the speaker terminal go inside
 
I'm afraid I'm going to throw the cat amongst the pigeons and say that I'd see the STR-DN1080 as more of a step down in quality compared to the RX-V1073.

The newer Sony has more features because, well, it's newer... lol :D :D :D But it's built to be pitched at the £500-£600 AV receiver buyer. Heavy discounting means it's available for under £450.

Contrast that with the RX-V1073 which was aimed at the £900-£1000 market. It was in a different class. Sure, when it went end-of-life there were some seriously big discounts on it which means some buyers picked them up for a shade under £500; but that still doesn't change the fact that it was a higher quality receiver.
 
I understand that lucid I just want a nice clean install and 4k hdr pass through. I used to have a sony tava8es and that thing was a beast
 
The Sony amp has won the what-hifi award in the <£500 category. I just had an old Denon receiver go pop last night so in the market for either this or the Denon-x2400h.

Waiting until Friday to see if they are in any offers. That being said if you are looking to get rid of the Yamaha, put a post up in the for sale :D
 
I understand that lucid I just want a nice clean install and 4k hdr pass through. I used to have a sony tava8es and that thing was a beast

Yes, and a very different beast from the STR-DN1080.

The TA-VA8ES had a claimed 120W/ch for the three front channels, and then 50W each for the surrounds. That makes sense when you remember that this was a Dolby Surround (ProLogic) amp, and as such, the surround channels were frequency limited compared to the fronts. Each of the three front channels got 26% of the available power. That left 11% each for the surrounds.

The claimed power consumption figure (juice sucked from the wall) was 395W. If we allow 10% for heat dissipation and running the preamp features, then what's left is roughly 350W for the 5 channels. 26% of 350 is roughly 90, so that means about 90W for each of the front channels.

The STR-DN1080 claims to consume 240W from the mains socket. That's quite a difference. It's also splitting the power over more channels; 7 in total. Unless Sony are fibbing about the power consumption to keep the EU bods happy that polar bears and penguins are safe when this amp runs, then the same calculation of 240 - 10%, then divide by the channels gives us a rough figure of 30W/ch real world power.

It's true that you don't need a lot of wattage to make a loud noise. However, the old Sony had a power reserve about three times larger than the newer Sony amp.

If we do the same sums with the 1073 we start with 490W and work down to a shade over 60W/ch.

Conclusion: The older Sony amp may have been a beast, but it doesn't follow that all Sonys are the same.


It may not make much difference that you're stepping down in power. In fact, to get something appreciably louder it's said the power has to increase by a factor of ten. Having said that, one of the reasons why we're not all running the cheapest 7.1 Atmos amps is the power reserve that comes with the bigger power supplies and larger capacitors in higher-end receivers and AV amps. It's just something to bear in mind if you find that any new amp is struggling a little to keep everything coherent or teetering on sounding brittle when the going gets tough.
 
Yes, and a very different beast from the STR-DN1080.

The TA-VA8ES had a claimed 120W/ch for the three front channels, and then 50W each for the surrounds. That makes sense when you remember that this was a Dolby Surround (ProLogic) amp, and as such, the surround channels were frequency limited compared to the fronts. Each of the three front channels got 26% of the available power. That left 11% each for the surrounds.

The claimed power consumption figure (juice sucked from the wall) was 395W. If we allow 10% for heat dissipation and running the preamp features, then what's left is roughly 350W for the 5 channels. 26% of 350 is roughly 90, so that means about 90W for each of the front channels.

The STR-DN1080 claims to consume 240W from the mains socket. That's quite a difference. It's also splitting the power over more channels; 7 in total. Unless Sony are fibbing about the power consumption to keep the EU bods happy that polar bears and penguins are safe when this amp runs, then the same calculation of 240 - 10%, then divide by the channels gives us a rough figure of 30W/ch real world power.

It's true that you don't need a lot of wattage to make a loud noise. However, the old Sony had a power reserve about three times larger than the newer Sony amp.

If we do the same sums with the 1073 we start with 490W and work down to a shade over 60W/ch.

Conclusion: The older Sony amp may have been a beast, but it doesn't follow that all Sonys are the same.


It may not make much difference that you're stepping down in power. In fact, to get something appreciably louder it's said the power has to increase by a factor of ten. Having said that, one of the reasons why we're not all running the cheapest 7.1 Atmos amps is the power reserve that comes with the bigger power supplies and larger capacitors in higher-end receivers and AV amps. It's just something to bear in mind if you find that any new amp is struggling a little to keep everything coherent or teetering on sounding brittle when the going gets tough.

A usual great and informative post from you lucid. The really sad thing is I took the sony amp to the tip about 7 years ago because no one wanted pro logic then and add on decoders were losing ground to full avr's.
I guess I'll have a rethink on the alcove
 
Thanks for a very good post. So my understanding is that you will need easy to drive speaker and not listen at reference volume. Otherwise details will be lost. So listening at lower volumes should be ok?
 
Thanks for a very good post. So my understanding is that you will need easy to drive speaker and not listen at reference volume. Otherwise details will be lost. So listening at lower volumes should be ok?
It depends on the amp or receiver it's being compared with.

@darreny has an AV receiver that's a couple of steps higher up the quality chain, so while the specifications look similar on power, I think that real world performance of the Yam should be stronger.

When heard and compared to AV receivers within its peer group, the Sony is reputed to sound strong. Where someone is buying the Sony as an upgrade from an entry-level receiver, or replacing an older £400-£500 amp to get 4K and Atmos, then I think the 1080 would acquit itself pretty well.
 
It could also be argued that a full rrp avr costing £600 now is probably not that far off something that's gone eol for a few years costing 100's more

(some prefer the Yamaha "sound", others prefer a different presentation - each to their own imo)

Ie the same componants in the Yamaha would cost less in a retail product today (if they were available)
 
It depends on the amp or receiver it's being compared with.

@darreny has an AV receiver that's a couple of steps higher up the quality chain, so while the specifications look similar on power, I think that real world performance of the Yam should be stronger.

When heard and compared to AV receivers within its peer group, the Sony is reputed to sound strong. Where someone is buying the Sony as an upgrade from an entry-level receiver, or replacing an older £400-£500 amp to get 4K and Atmos, then I think the 1080 would acquit itself pretty well.

Turns out that it was a Denon 1803 that went pop. I think I have had my money's worth :D

From what you were saying the Denon x2400h pulls 500W, twice the Sony. Leaning more that way as had many Denon amps over the years. However I bet either would be an upgrade on that thing.
 
It could also be argued that a full rrp avr costing £600 now is probably not that far off something that's gone eol for a few years costing 100's more

(some prefer the Yamaha "sound", others prefer a different presentation - each to their own imo)

Ie the same componants in the Yamaha would cost less in a retail product today (if they were available)

Features improve at certain price points, that's for sure. But some important stuff such as large transformers and big capacitors and fast high-current-flow transistors have already reached the point where manufacturing costs are the lowest they're going to get unless production volumes shift significantly. Also, the cost savings from moving manufacturing to low-wage economies such as China have all been realised. The bottom line is that quality costs.

What we've seen in AV Receiver/AV Amp production is pendulum cycles where the attention shifts from advances in technology to focus on price/performance and then back to technology and so on. It's whatever the manufacturers feel that will give them a competitive edge at that point in time.

Currently we're in the tail-end of a technology phase. There has been a lot of attention on 4K/HDR/ATMOS as these are trending with consumers. We're seeing a lot of effort going in to trickling these features down the price ranges. As a result, economies are being made in other areas. Take a look at the back panels of most sub £600 AV receivers and you'll notice that each year there are fewer analogue, optical and coaxial inputs. In part, that's driven by changes in source technology; we just don't use analogue and coax/optical as much now. But that shift happened a few years ago, accelerated by HDMI ARC and the shift to streaming; so why the delay? The answer is that as 4K & ATMOS trickles down to the lower reaches of the AV receiver product ranges, there's less cash in the pot to pay for the tech required and still keep the legacy features.

Along with the denuding of the back panels you'll also notice that there's a shift in some quarters toward using Class D switching amps rather than transformer-based amplification. Manufacturer's will spin this as the drive for greater power output or that digital amplification has come of age, or higher efficiency depending on whether the story is for end consumers or bureaucrats with a green agenda. Behind all that PR hot air the simple fact is that Class D is cheaper to build. When the hard choices have to be made then more noise and less fidelity is an acceptable trade-off for 90% amplifier efficiency at 1/3rd of the cost of a traditional transformer-based power amp stage when trying to squeeze a quart from a pint pot budget.

Pioneer have gone heavily in to Class D. Onkyo has some Class D AV product. Denon uses it in the Heos multiroom amps. All the brands that produce mini-systems and all-in-one kits use Class D. The other way to fudge higher apparent wattages is to start quoting on 6 Ohms rather than 8, and by measuring at higher THDs and at 1kHz rather that full audio spectrum.

Bringing this back to your sound quality comment; advances in source quality such as the shift away from lossy compressing in DD and DTS to lossless in the HD audio formats, combined with smarter auto calibration including room EQ to help reduce the incidents of truly awful set-up have (IMO) been off-set by the damage done through cost-cutting on hidden tech to pay for headline features. I'll give you two direct examples. The first is from when I swapped out a customer's old high-end Denon for a new Pioneer. Price-wise they were comparable if you ignore inflation; ball park £1200-£1400 a piece. On paper, the new Pioneer was way more powerful, and so far ahead in terms of features there was just no comparison. When we fired up the new amp though it sounded noticeably quieter and had a thinner- and less involving sound. That's because the Denon flowed a lot more current.

The second is at the other end of the price spectrum. I have a customer for whom I swapped out a late 90's Yamaha AV receiver for something newer with HDMIs. Most folk wouldn't have given the old Yamaha a second glance. However, I knew it was equipped with a very good power supply and high quality capacitors. The low noise floor and dynamic ability meant it could embarrass some well respected 2 channel Hi-Fi amps in the £500 price range. It would blow today's AV receivers in to the weeds on music and well set-up DD/DTS. I sold it on to a customer who was looking for exactly this sort of high quality performance in an amp that supported digital as well as analogue connections.

Before you get the impression I have a downer on modern gear, I don't. What I am is realistic about manufacturer claims and equipment reviews. The fundamentals of amplification really hasn't changed that much. Amps modulate the mains and supply current. On the whole, this takes a heap of cash to do that well.
 
In the context of digital signal processing though, for room equalization(echo/delay..) , these algorithms are introducing distortion themselves,
so I do wonder, whether the use of AB amplifiers would be overkill, and D represents a good match ? (analogy to an AB, might be, a carburetor for a F1 engine)
(I don't know if the dsp function is always defeatable across avr brands.)

I just use 2.0 w/o room equalization, but my reservation for avr is the quality of the the room equalization, less so the Amp.
 
Your reasoning then for Class D is "We've already broken it with the Room EQ, so it doesn't matter if we break it some more with Class D"?

I don't believe that's quite the same as trying to make a right from two wrongs, but it still feels like a step in the wrong direction if that's the justification.
 
Bringing this back to your sound quality comment; advances in source quality such as the shift away from lossy compressing in DD and DTS to lossless in the HD audio formats, combined with smarter auto calibration including room EQ to help reduce the incidents of truly awful set-up have (IMO) been off-set by the damage done through cost-cutting on hidden tech to pay for headline features. I'll give you two direct examples. The first is from when I swapped out a customer's old high-end Denon for a new Pioneer. Price-wise they were comparable if you ignore inflation; ball park £1200-£1400 a piece. On paper, the new Pioneer was way more powerful, and so far ahead in terms of features there was just no comparison. When we fired up the new amp though it sounded noticeably quieter and had a thinner- and less involving sound. That's because the Denon flowed a lot more current. .

Personally would suggest this would be more valid if you had gone from like to like in manufacturer, there are multiple reasons why this might be the case otherwise (some times a certain model of amp just doesn't play well with certain speakers etc etc)

What you are saying may well be part of the reason but not the whole one.

The second is at the other end of the price spectrum. I have a customer for whom I swapped out a late 90's Yamaha AV receiver for something newer with HDMIs. Most folk wouldn't have given the old Yamaha a second glance. However, I knew it was equipped with a very good power supply and high quality capacitors. The low noise floor and dynamic ability meant it could embarrass some well respected 2 channel Hi-Fi amps in the £500 price range. It would blow today's AV receivers in to the weeds on music and well set-up DD/DTS. I sold it on to a customer who was looking for exactly this sort of high quality performance in an amp that supported digital as well as analogue connections.

Before you get the impression I have a downer on modern gear, I don't. What I am is realistic about manufacturer claims and equipment reviews. The fundamentals of amplification really hasn't changed that much. Amps modulate the mains and supply current. On the whole, this takes a heap of cash to do that well.
Im not sure why anyone would buy anything these days just for DD/DTS so its a bit of a non answer , and if a customer knows anything they already know av recievers are generally awful at music anyway.

Im sure pottering around town in an old 2CV is fun, but doesn't mean you want to be on a motorway in one either :)
 
Personally would suggest this would be more valid if you had gone from like to like in manufacturer, there are multiple reasons why this might be the case otherwise (some times a certain model of amp just doesn't play well with certain speakers etc etc)

What you are saying may well be part of the reason but not the whole one.


Im not sure why anyone would buy anything these days just for DD/DTS so its a bit of a non answer , and if a customer knows anything they already know av recievers are generally awful at music anyway.

Im sure pottering around town in an old 2CV is fun, but doesn't mean you want to be on a motorway in one either :)
I only use dd/dts and stereo, have no interest in going atmos/dts x. If it wasn't for the fact I need hdmi I would still be using the yamaha dsp a1 i have in the loft as it sounds much better than the 1073
 
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