Mozilla Links article, Mozillazine article, en-GB full download (though using AUS, i.e. Help -> Check for Updates, is always the preferred method).
Release notes. Fixed bugs:
Release notes. Fixed bugs:
Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 released
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Thanks for posting this tolien. Had already updated but I hadn't seen the changelist which looks pretty extensive. 
It came from The Rumbling Edge.
Compared to the 99 Fx had fixed, and considering a number of those bugs apply to both (perhaps not by number but by purpose), it's a bit poor.
Compared to the 99 Fx had fixed, and considering a number of those bugs apply to both (perhaps not by number but by purpose), it's a bit poor.
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Ah. Might bookmark that. Any good is it?tolien said:
Could have been talking about TB 2.0.0.4 which, according to Rumbling Edge, had 23 fixes! So TB 2.0.0.5 had a full TWO MORE bug fixes.tolien said:
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I don't actively watch TRE, just occasionally its RSS feed...I spend enough time in bugzilla and the Mozillazine forums as it is
IIRC, the guy that does the TRE site also does the Weekly bug threads for Tb on Mozillazine (like this).
Tb's the poor relation IMO, it doesn't get the time or money that Fx does. Admittedly, Fx makes most of the money and has much more users, but I still think more could be done.
IIRC, the guy that does the TRE site also does the Weekly bug threads for Tb on Mozillazine (like this).
Tb's the poor relation IMO, it doesn't get the time or money that Fx does. Admittedly, Fx makes most of the money and has much more users, but I still think more could be done.
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I agree with you 100% there. I think you might have mentioned that in a previous Thunderbird thread we both participated in.tolien said:
I've recently dropped Firefox for Opera and I'm not really looking back. But I can't really see how anyone is going to improve on Thunderbird for a few years yet. If Mozilla were clever, surely they'd try and market Thunderbird a bit more and market it as a twin pack. Like IE and Outlook Express, but much better.
I know that if I were to be a computer bod for a company, I'd use Thunderbird on my PC if I were allowed. I'd also try and get Thunderbird to be adopted as the standard email client if it isn't already.
I worked in a school for 2 years and had to use Outlook. OK its better than Outlook Express but what isn't? It was during those two years that I discovered the 0.7 Firefox I think it was and then Thunderbird. I'd be quite happy to use Thunderbird at both home and work.
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I expect so...I say it a lot
Warning: rant ahead. Proceed at your own risk, beware of the dogs, et cetera.
I don't pay a huge amount of attention to Thunderbird, but looking on the Mozilla Wiki page (here), the Tb 3 plans stretch to architectural tidying, easy extension installation (a way to get round the problem that you need to download then drag and drop extensions to install them) and easy account setup for ISPs (like gmail and .mac in 2.0, no need for server settings etc). Yawn.
I dunno about a twin pack (my concern would be that you wound up with a web-browser-that-also-does-email-and-some-other-stuff, like Opera), or about marketing campaigns - IMO, the best kind of advertising gets you to try the app, rather than pushing it at you as "the solution to Everything".
The problem's the lack of attention that non-Fx projects get - Sunbird's practically dead, and lots of the other projects get by with next to no involvement from MoFo/Co (bar the infrastructure support like AUS, Talkback, addons.mozilla.org).
Firefox gets a hell of a lot of paid work done for it, compared to the two paid developers that Tb has. Prime example was the "visual refresh" (new theme) for Fx2 - MoFo paid Radiant Core to do the refresh for Fx, one of the (unpaid) devs did what changes were made to Tb.
Any time the subject comes up, it devolves into a circular argument; Fx has more users (and thus provides the greatest revenue stream) than any of the other projects (Tb's probably the closest, but I expect it's still comparatively miniscule) and so deserves the greatest expenditure, but without some input the other projects have an obvious problem gaining usershare - if you don't know about it, how can you possibly start to use it?
This stems from some of the frustrations in the transition to Mozilla (AKA Gecko) 2.0.
The stumbling block to corporate adoption as far as I can see (and this goes for any non-MS app, I guess) is being able to build MSIs (and all the other bits that go with deployment on a domain), as well as the whole package of Windows integration (Parental Controls and UAC in Vista, working as a limited user) - it's something that's being worked on for Fx 3, but time'll tell how much gets done in the time that's left.
Outlook does more than just mail (badly: Outlook's IMAP support is shocking) though - it overlaps with Sunbird (calendar) and does contacts too.
I just checked my thunderbird and its still 1.5, I think i havent updated in a while lol.
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I kind of meant another company developing a competitor to Thunderbird. In that no OTHER company could improve on Thunderbird by designing a new email application.tolien said:
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I meant a proper program not a webmail interface.