Thurrock Council - and "high rollers"

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There is so much to this story I just can't get my head around.



Firstly, this "high roller" Liam Kavanagh managed to convince the council to loan him money to buy existing assets, which he would then own and operate himself. Why would any council do this? "Please give me public money so I can buy up lots of small existing businesses and fold them into my own businesses."

Surely (Shirley!) the Council would say, "Well, if we used that money to buy those businesses ourselves, we would own those assets and could extract 100% of the value from them." Instead they just gave this Liam guy the money with no strings attached as to how that money should be used/spent/invested. So he bought yachts, villas, a private jet, and £millions of other luxury items. And he kept coming back for more!!

But why - why - would you "invest" your money into some chancer so he could buy (note: not set up, not create) existing businesses and create his own conglomerate? I just can't fathom why this would make sense for anyone, ever, at any time. Let alone a cash-strapped public body with extremely tight finances. Does buying existing businesses count as entrepreneurship, these days? That's how he's being described. Another "entrepreneur" that we all admire so much in this country.

Second, this Liam guy doesn't look to have any kind of skillset or particular intelligence, going by his tweets and emails. Aside from arrogance. He communicates like a teenager he's clearly unable to restrain himself from revealing to the entire world how he's (mis) spending Thurrock Council's money (on himself).

His principle (sole?) skillset seems to have been having sufficient charm to persuade the Council to give him money. He then bankrupted his own newly forged business empire leaving Thurrock Council (taxpayers) millions in debt. He possibly committed fraud, but this is uncertain, due to the stated absence of conditions on the funding the council provided him. But he certainly over-valued the income of his acquired assets - deliberately and knowingly - causing the Council to give him more and more rounds of funding (apparently for any purpose he liked, such as buying a private yacht).

But really, I just can't get over how Del Boy chancers have been able to make so much money from public bodies, recently. We are just throwing money at con men. Not people with fantastic new ideas or brilliant engineering solutions. Just regular, everyday chancers who can cosy up to Councillors. Honestly, I can only shake my head, and wonder what it must be like to have zero principals, and enough charisma to (successfully) take the the custodians of public funds for a ride.

Bonus points to the first reply that says I'm just jealous of a local boy done good ;) Or "Capitalism, working as intended."
 
No, you aren’t wrong, it’s genuinely a hilarious situation. He got them to give him money promising solar farms that would return a certain amount, and that the capital would be safe as they would own the solar farms… he then paid himself millions, went bankrupt, and it turns out the solar farms aren’t with anywhere near what they were bought for, and don’t generate the revenue he claimed or “predicted” they would.

The people in charge of the council have long gone, he’s long gone, and the council are out £600m with the solar farms worth less then 2/3 of that.

It’s a perfect example of Tory Britain and naked corrupt capitalism, the kind that we hear stories about in Russia and Africa as examples as to why they are 3rd world silly countries, only now it’s happening here and our media is worried about Nigel Farages luxury bank account being downgraded to a standard one.
 
Pick a council, any council and you will more than likely find dodgy dealings and the like.

My county council gets a FOIA now and then from me, in relation to their investments. That is an eye opener, when we are being told how they are struggling and and.

I think the thing that stands out with this one is it’s literally their entire fund, and they bankrupted themselves immediately, and now can’t fund basic services for their residents.
 
I get the impression he wasn't alone in this, probably 1-2 people at the council complicit, sadly they'll likely get away with it.
It has to be. Has to be backroom deals in dark, smoke-filled rooms. Between people who already know each other and are complicit in the scheme.

Because otherwise, the unanswerable question remains: Why him? Why invest all your finances/budget in this chap? Why is this proposal so irresistible?

It's not even anything new or clever. He just buys up a bunch of assets and operates them himself, vs whomever was operating them before. And he buys them all up with the loans from the Council. It's incomprehensible.
 
It's not even anything new or clever. He just buys up a bunch of assets and operates them himself, vs whomever was operating them before. And he buys them all up with the loans from the Council. It's incomprehensible.

I think the previous owner of the football club in the town I work was trying something similar on involving the council, but came under a lot of scrutiny and eventually bailed.
 
. Honestly, I can only shake my head, and wonder what it must be like to have zero principals, and enough charisma to (successfully) take the the custodians of public funds for a ride.

Let me tell you a story about the 1%....and our banking system....
 
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The allure of green energy seems to blind people into making ludicrous decisions.
I heard something the other day about America's biggest tax fraud. A guy claiming to make solar powered generators on the backs of towable wagons. He got millions in rental contracts that companies that hired the units got 25% back in tax breaks. 1000s of these generators rented out that didn't exist or work....to proper legitimate high end businesses.

Crazy world

 
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People need to go to prison for that. Here's some more from the last few days alone!



 
This is literally how you become a multi millionaire/billionaire.

You convince other people you and your company are worth some made up amount of money/profit projection.

This is why the economy is such a load of ****. All of it is just fanciful made up figures built on debt and public money.
 
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Everyone involved should go to prison for this.

Council: There's lack of due diligence, and then there's complete and utter negligence. This appears to be the latter, with a big whiff of corruption too.
Kavanagh: Whether or not he has technically committed fraud or done anything illegal by spending money for 'business purposes' on luxury items, or how he operated his business, it seems clear he was not acting in good faith at all.

Really have to question the whole system of governance for councils that this amount of money was peed up the wall with apparently no real challenge, or that the council leader could ignore legal advice without having to explain why.

e: My local council has made some questionable investment decisions, but nothing on this scale as far as I'm aware... I imagine this won't be the last such case though.
 
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I get the impression he wasn't alone in this, probably 1-2 people at the council complicit, sadly they'll likely get away with it.
Thurrock is my local council and I can assure you, he was not alone in his dealings.
There has been some corrupt and frankly useless POS within the council for years, doing dodgy dealings for themselves and their own bank account.
All the people within the council that allowed this to go on and funnelled money to this company are long gone, all of them resigned about 2 months before all the news came out, none of them are being investigated or will have any criminal charges bought against them.

As for the high roller, he had another bank account that he paid 40m to and its disappeared, theories in the area are the council members who have gone received part of this as payment for their part in granting him all this money.
Either way, the tories are to blame for all of this for getting rid of the commission that stopped councils making horrific decisions with public funds.
Shameful behaviour and people deserve jailtime for this.
 
The council seems at fault here. They acted like a compulsive gambler, pouring good money into a sure thing.

I'd guess their due diligence was either very poor, or not done at all.

I can't help feeling some poor drone in finance was told to "make it happen" by their boss, and took a cavalier approach as a result. I hope they kept a trail of documentation- I would have.

I generally assume incompetence, rather than fraud in these matters...
 
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