Time to upgrade... advice?

DG1303

DG1303

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Hi all,

thinking its time to upgrade my CPU/Mobo. I play a lot of battlefield 1 (and want to play BFV smoothly when its out) which i know is a high CPU utilisation game but its made me aware my current i5 3570k (OC to 4.2Ghz) is getting old despite being an awesome processor. BF1 runs at a choppy 30-40fps when firefights begin with 100% CPU useage (temps max 70C with thermal throttling turned off) and about 40-50% GPU on high settings :(

looking at picking up a 8700k this time and something like an msi z370 Mobo to go with it.

rest of the parts ill be carrying over are:
GPU: msi R9 390
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz (does this need upgrading too?)
SSD: Samsung 850 evo 120GB (mostly for OS usaeage)
HDD: WD 500GB
PSU: Corsair CX750M

thoughts on this proposal? any edits welcomed but im looking to keep my spend on this refresh under £500.
I do play off a samsung TV currently so understand im restricted to 60hz/fps anyway but in future i will move to a higher hz monitor when i move house

thanks for any and all advice :)
 
Cpu is your bottleneck. You'll want an i7. you need more ram anyway so I'd say get a cpu/mobo/ram bundle. That's your budget spent.

I'd also get a 500gb ssd and reinstall windows and install all programs and games on it. Remove hdd if you dont need to archive big files on it.
 
I don't play BFV but I'm kinda surprised a 3570k is keeping it at 30-40fps. Is there anything running in the background? And what is your RAM usage during gaming?
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@DG1303

Welcome, what is the GPU load when your in a Firefight ?

and is the multiplayer? thats been known to be heavy on thread count !

*just saw gaming off TV which wouldn't be helping with input lag
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Never seen gpu run above 70-80% peak. It never seems stressed playing bf. Yeh it is the multipayer which I read as you say is very cpu heavy. Tried all the fixes etc I can find online like setting render ahead limits and unlocking cores etc but still chokes it.

Why would using the TV be such an issue? I know they can't keep up above 60fps but it shouldn't be causing drops to 30? I'm happy enough with a stable 60 for now.

billysielu said:
Cpu is your bottleneck. You'll want an i7. you need more ram anyway so I'd say get a cpu/mobo/ram bundle. That's your budget spent.

I'd also get a 500gb ssd and reinstall windows and install all programs and games on it. Remove hdd if you dont need to archive big files on it.
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Is there a good place to buy such things bundled? Or are you just meaning get all 3 at once?

I'll look into bigger ssd too yeh.

AETAaAS said:
I don't play BFV but I'm kinda surprised a 3570k is keeping it at 30-40fps. Is there anything running in the background? And what is your RAM usage during gaming?
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Yep it seems to be a problem for many people even running 4/5th gen from what I read. It's the 4 cores/threads limit hence why I'm looking at the 7800k with 6/12 now. Figure gaming will be heading this way anyway soon? I've had a solid 7 years out of my 3570k.

I close everything in the background whatever game I play and ram I haven't seen go above about 6gb usage although I figure this could be due to Windows restricting what the game can access etc? Happy to consider going to 16gb ram too
 
 
Input lag on TVs can be 30ms or higher compared to monitors of 1-5ms - so that all adds up to un-smooth gameplay


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drop to 8GB for £440

asrock Pro 4 B360 out of stock and B360 Aorus 3 costs a bit more and also out of stock

non K boosts to 4.3GHz on all 6 cores with 12 threads​
 
thanks orbital :)

i currently have a gigabyte z77-d3h mobo so ill probs get the z370-hd3 as i dont think my case supports a micro-atx

is there much difference between the gigabyte and the asrock pro 4 b360? found the asrock for £80 elsehwhere which seems a great price to me.

is it also worth getting the k version CPU? the non-k boosts pretty high already! i feel like my main gain will be going from 4/4 to 6/12 core/thread count rather than clock speeds?

thanks for the RAM link too. looks like better value that Corsair
 
billysielu said:
8700k is even better.
also echo comments about tvs and latency
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i havent found the TV input lag to be much of a problem tbh. noticeable when i first switched away from my monitor but doesnt stop me topping leaderboards or anything now :D i also dont play CS or other "twitch shooters" where i gather it may be more of an issue. i like more casual games just want them to be uber smooth and run on ultra graphics if i can.
 
I wonder if the i7 is overkill? You can get the 6C12T Ryzen 5 2600 for £170, then get one of the upcoming B450 motherboards or find an updated BIOS B350 board. Or if you're impatient, splash out on an X470 board now?

The 2600 can average 140FPS in BF1, going to 170 on a 4.2 overclock. At those rates, your GPU is going to become the bottle neck.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1627-core-i5-8400-vs-ryzen-5-2600/
 
DG1303 said:
thanks orbital :)

i currently have a gigabyte z77-d3h mobo so ill probs get the z370-hd3 as i dont think my case supports a micro-atx

is there much difference between the gigabyte and the asrock pro 4 b360? found the asrock for £80 elsehwhere which seems a great price to me.

is it also worth getting the k version CPU? the non-k boosts pretty high already! i feel like my main gain will be going from 4/4 to 6/12 core/thread count rather than clock speeds?

thanks for the RAM link too. looks like better value that Corsair
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ATX cases and support MATX and ITX boards.

the ASrock 4 Pro would be a better board the D3H due to increase VRM count- STRIX B360 and specially the B360 Aorus 3 blow the Pro 4 out the water with better VRM and full fledged chipset features as the wifi etc.

could grab the Z370 HD3 - Z chip so would allow you to through in a coffeelake K chip second hand in the future etc - though doubt you'll need it

as above , ryzen 2600 is another good option due to 6 cores and 12 threads- intel i5 8500/8600k with perform better for gaming but is only 6 core 6 thread, and coming from your current i5 - isnt to much of an 'upgrade' like jumping to i7

if your gong to get a 1440p screen in future- ryzen 2600 is a good shout, at 1080p - ball is still in intels court
 
AETAaAS said:
I wonder if the i7 is overkill? You can get the 6C12T Ryzen 5 2600 for £170, then get one of the upcoming B450 motherboards or find an updated BIOS B350 board. Or if you're impatient, splash out on an X470 board now?

The 2600 can average 140FPS in BF1, going to 170 on a 4.2 overclock. At those rates, your GPU is going to become the bottle neck.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1627-core-i5-8400-vs-ryzen-5-2600/
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happy to take a step back if it is overkill. i just want something that will do me the next 7 years as it were which is why i got the k variant 3rd gen last time. hoping to get at least another year from my gpu but will ultimately upgrade that at some point.
 
BFV will be using same engine and assuming tweaks will be applied on top to eeek as much performance out of CPUs :)
but hopefully optimisations to network so those with less threads arent killed off - i5 4 core 4 thread still the most common gaming CPUs
 
orbitalwalsh said:
ATX cases and support MATX and ITX boards.

the ASrock 4 Pro would be a better board the D3H due to increase VRM count- STRIX B360 and specially the B360 Aorus 3 blow the Pro 4 out the water with better VRM and full fledged chipset features as the wifi etc.

could grab the Z370 HD3 - Z chip so would allow you to through in a coffeelake K chip second hand in the future etc - though doubt you'll need it

as above , ryzen 2600 is another good option due to 6 cores and 12 threads- intel i5 8500/8600k with perform better for gaming but is only 6 core 6 thread, and coming from your current i5 - isnt to much of an 'upgrade' like jumping to i7

if your gong to get a 1440p screen in future- ryzen 2600 is a good shout, at 1080p - ball is still in intels court
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ive thought about 1440p but for now i dont fancy sinking ~500 quid into a monitor unfortunately. if it becomes more affordable in a few years il think about it.

the strix seem to go for about 100 which would be ok with me as that was about what i was thinking max spend on Mobo. aorus is a touch out of my budget at ~150 sadly. is the difference worth the extra £50?

the ryzen cpu looks like a good buy at half the price of an 8700k!!
 
My personal view is the 2600 is a lot of processor for the money and does well in your use case. You probably shave about 100 quid off your price tag now (more if you wre planning on the K Intel part), and will be happy for a good number of years.

AMD will do AM4 till 2020, so another generation or two of upgrades for your platform now. Then in another couple of years like 2021 or sometime, when you think the 2600 isn't enough, you can find an upgrade path on the used market for good money hopefully.
 
DG1303 said:
is this a good deal? indiviually parts are 410 not including the free ssd?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...-team-group-ram-free-240gb-ssd-bu-01f-am.html

EDIT: nvm, just changed it from 8gb to 16 gb ram and its more
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very nice package ! that X370 is the same as the very popular B350 Gaming 3 that we spec on here, just using the X370 chip

free SSD makes it worth while personally, more ram will always mean more costs, most games still recommend 8GB with 4GB being min- some games now going over 8GB but worth doing research into how much on the games you play . though we tend to recommend 16gb IF budget allows
 
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