To the makers of Doom.

[jigger]

Great game! but a 55GB patch with the retail hard copy is unacceptable.

 

[jigger]

wait, isnt the game that size to download to start with?

Yep. Seems all you get with the disk is the installer that points you at steam.

 

[jigger]

55 gig these days is absolutely nothing. If it is to you. Look at your isp or pay for a decent one. Everything is downloading these days. Everyone needs to get with it.

55GB is huge even on the fastest line. You shouldn't have to download 55gb of data when you can burn disks for peanuts.

 

[jigger]

sorry for five years now games have been 50 gb or abouts. you can get 200mb bb.

big hds. its just how it is.

Maybe you can, but I can't. I've never even seen the mention of 200mb/s broadband offers. Though I would have to do a pretty big network upgrade to make use of it.

Bit even if I had 200Mb/s, 55gb plus patch is still unacceptable when you can fit hundreds of gigabytes in a DVD case.

5 years ago games wasn't 50gb, and when you bought the game from a shop it at least come on disks, even if it did require a patch.

 

[jigger]

Can't remember the last game I installed from disc

55gb downloaded in about 20 minutes for me

55GB takes me about 4 minutes if I download straight from the shop to my house. 8 if the network is congested

 

[jigger]

Do people even use discs these days?

Have not had a DVD rom for a very long time. . .

LOL

You don't know what you're missing. You can transfer data at ludicrous speeds and it solves all the UK's telecom infrastructure problems over night.

Instead of spending billions of pounds on the telecoms systems just give everyone optical drives and let them use the already super fast transport network system. People can run faster than the internet

 

[jigger]

Just done a quick search and have found the following in about 30 seconds. Star wars the force unleased (2009) was about 30gig in size, As was Age of Conan (2008). Guild wars was even more (2005) X-plane 9 was about 90gig fully updated.

It is nothing new to have massive games that you download, Having slow internet is a bummer but is not the end of the world. Download the game over night or while you are at work and worry about more important things.

Uncompressed file sizes and optional downloads as Terrorfirmer points out. If you bought those games retail the game data would be in your hand.

You well and truly miss the point, but lets take a look at internet speeds.

Ofcom - The average UK broadband speed is now 22.8Mbit/s

But the gap between urban, suburban and rural areas has widened.

Nearly one in three UK broadband connections (32%) are ‘up to’ 30Mbit/s or above services, up from 24% in November 2013, according to the research.

The average actual speed being delivered across connections with headline speeds of ‘up to’ 30Mbit/s and above was 50.4Mbit/s in November 2014, although a small proportion of customers will receive actual speeds below 30Mbit/s.

Cable broadband saw a 26% increase in average speeds, bringing average cable broadband speeds up to 54.4Mbit/s. This follows a speed upgrade programme by the UK’s largest cable broadband provider, Virgin Media, allowing customers to ‘opt-in’ for faster broadband.

The average speed of fibre services (not including cable connections) was 41.6Mbit/s, showing no significant change in the six months to November 2014.

The average speed of ADSL connections - still the most common type of residential broadband - saw no significant change in the six months to November 2014, providing an average speed of 7.3Mbit/s.

Urban and rural broadband speeds

Average download speeds in urban areas increased by 21% in the six months to November 2014, largely as a result of increasing take-up of faster services and Virgin Media’s upgrade programme.

As faster cable and fibre broadband services, with headline speeds of 30Mbit/s or more, typically have lower availability in rural areas, no statistically significant change in average speeds in suburban and rural areas was recorded over this period.

Should be reasonably simple to understand others points of view. Rural areas are well under half the UK average and suburban speeds have not changed.

Good luck downloading a 90GB file at those speeds.

Fedex could get you disks pretty much anywhere in the world next day before 9am. Downloading might take you a week or more when you could just have the data on disks.

 

[jigger]

No people aren't missing that point. If the game needs a patch then it needs a patch. If the game needs a 55gb patch then it's not a finished game.

Some people might not be happy about asking a friend to help or carting a PC round to someone else's house just to download a game.

If you buy the game in store you should actually receive the game IMO.

 

[jigger]

Yeah in 2016 it's unacceptable to buy an item in a shop and expect to receive what you paid for. Or in this case less.

I forgot it was 2016

 

[jigger]

So for most people not on fibre that's 2 overnight sessions I assume.
Remember downloading Max Payne 3 via my phone as it was better than my internet at the time. Took a night or two doing that.

Even now with 200mbps virgin fibre, if I got full speed we are talking 40 odd minutes at best and that's the fastest you can get I am aware of, not being a business etc.

Do we complain that the patch is 6 months late so they can compress it as much as they can, or not offer extra content because its not viable for some?

At the end of the day its the way everything is going so will just have to put up with it.

Brings back memories of having to run one of those download helpers as I couldn't get the drivers for my graphics card on 56k before the two hour disconnect

Net Vampire. Oh the joys of disconnects.

 

[jigger]

Totally, because there's a few folks stuck on slow internet we should definite set an upper limit for games sizes, regardless. Might as well set a compulsory maximum spec too as those small games won't need anything special to run with their tiny textures.

You could do and it all sounds very sensible. Selling the games on disks offering delivery would be crazy with UK's postal services.

A few means most now.

 

[jigger]

Since when do standard DVD cases fit 100's of gigabytes. The most common size DVD would take 12 disks to fit 55gb and I would rather download 55gb then install 12disks. I know there are rare larger DVD's but those increase the package costs. Pretty sure even on Virgins slowest package its faster to download then install 12 disks. Its the way things are going and for most peoples its downloading is better.

I'm not sure, how fast is virgins slowest package?

It would depend on the setup, but you can transfer between 1-2 gig a minute with an optical drive. DVD's come in 5 and 9 gigabytes. If you use a BD drive that increases to 25-50gb. So thats hundreds of gigabytes in a DVD case and a pretty fast install.

 

[jigger]

This is fine, having a go at the UK/companies for not providing the level or internet we would like/should have is OK.

For OP I don't agree with having a go at developers because there patch is large.
I want better games, better graphics and more content, if that comes at the price of 55GB patches then so be it.

Thats got nothing to do with the quality of the game has it

You agree with buying a game from a shop (at over the top price) and only actually receiving an installer and a code? ie opting to buy a copy instead of downloading a copy.

 

[jigger]

Don't think that's what I was saying.
I was wanting to say have a go at the rubbish internet in the UK in certain places not at the game makers for having large patches (on the assumption the game is playable from release etc etc)

Well one is a simple fix and the other probably requires a very topical debate in parliament. Offering a game as a hard copy would be a great solution even for those with internet speeds above the UK average.

 

[jigger]

The slowest package is 50Mbps. The problem with the larger DVD's is they cost a lot more bumping up the price of the package and very few PC's have a BD Drive. Last time I used my DVD drive to install a game it was noticeable slower then downloading from Steam.

That depends totally on the speed of the connection and the speed of the drive. For the majority of the UK installing from disc would be the better option than downloading.