Too soft on bad students?

RomanNose

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I attend a local college at the moment and I have noticed that there are a lot of students who are there just because they have nothing else to do. They get bad grades, are disruptive in lessons and even disrupting around college. When they fail a course, they just move onto another one and the cycle continues.
I don't understand how we are allowed to put up with this, I get increasingly annoyed about these students who just seem to think it is fair to disturb others who actually want to do well. How do you think we should tackle this problem? Should we be cut throat on bad students or should we give some headroom?
 
The solution is complicated, they'll have been utter ****s at school, but that's because their parents are utter ****s. Once these fails of lives finish college they'll get some crappy job (or not) and breed more ****s. The cycle continues.
 
why don't you just worry about your own studies and ignore everyone else, if they want to do sweet FA then its none of your concern really
 
When I attended college a 15 year old girl turned up on my course. She got booted out of school for being disruptive and apparently she had anger issues. She was always fine with the other students at college though, no idea what she was like at school but college seemed to suit her.

I didn't get good grades at school, hated it. I grew my hair long and the school told me if it got longer I'd have to cut it.It was a strict school.....apparently having long hair means you can't learn or pay attention in class lol.

My careers advisor basically said I would benefit from college as there is no uniform and I can express myself the way I want (I sound like an emo kid lol) College was good, except I used to drink almost every day at lunch. The lecturers were really nice and relaxed and used to come to the pub with us sometimes.

Uni was more of the same, relaxed environment, fun lecturers and interesting lectures.

I think the only way to deal with troubled kids is either prison/young offenders lol or find out why they're being disruptive.

I wasn't disruptive at school but I just wasn't interested, I never understood why RE would matter to me unless I was an RE teacher lol. I used to enjoy the creative classes at school like science, drama, ceramics and resistant materials.

So maybe the answer is to let the students decide which lessons they should go to (Like GCSE's but no forced classes like RE, PE or lanuages.

Then they, in theory would be more interested and less distruptive in lessons they find engaging
 
MrMoonX said:
why don't you just worry about your own studies and ignore everyone else, if they want to do sweet FA then its none of your concern really
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Read the original post and then your reply again. He has every right to complain, it's tricky (near impossible) to ignore those immature students when you're trying to work and they're disrupting classes.

In my opinion they should be watched closely and all students should be kept on a three strike system. Once you've got three strikes next to your name, you're on your way. The only real way to avoid pesky students is to enrol on higher level courses. It filters them out, but you get the "bad" people in all areas of life.

/Kill them with fire.
 
to be honest it sounds like your lecturers are pretty crap. at Reading uni they'd be booted out of the lecture hall if they were disruptive
 
Whenever I used to get in trouble at school and sent to stand outside class, I saw it as an opportunity to get an early lunch lol.

The problem is lack of discipline, no fear in kids today, if you go to hit a kid, they pull a knife on you
 
Reaper 392 said:
to be honest it sounds like your lecturers are pretty crap. at Reading uni they'd be booted out of the lecture hall if they were disruptive
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I was under the impression that hthe OP was talking about college, not university, where you would expect disruptive students to be booted out.
 
Moses said:
Requiring people to have a licence to have kids would solve the problem (if the correct requirements for one were stipulated) :3.

Obviously it's easy to argue against that, in terms of basic human rights, but meh!
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How would you police this this? and what would you do to those having children without a license?

Whilst I agree to an extent that it would have multiple benefits for the majority enforcing it would probably be too difficult. Compulsory parenting classes along with all the pre/post natal classes attended would probably be more effective and perhaps cheaper too.
 
godinman said:
The solution is complicated, they'll have been utter ****s at school, but that's because their parents are utter ****s. Once these fails of lives finish college they'll get some crappy job (or not) and breed more ****s. The cycle continues.
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I actually find that most of the people pratting about in school have done better than me so far (wage wise)...Go figure :o
 
As an ex-lecturer, I can assure you it's every bit as frustrating for us, as I would much rather help/teach someone who is interested in the subject rather than just there for their EMA, also, as you've mentioned it destroys the learning environment for the other students who DO want to be there.

Unfortunately, a lot of it is down to the government's genius "bums on seats" plan of deciding everyone has to attain a certain level of education regardless of interest, and not providing sufficient resources to provide this teaching.

They then implemented "incentives" such as EMA which basically means the kids turn up to get their money, but all they do is **** around for a couple of hours and then go home.

The best part of this is, that since they don't gain any qualifications, they come back the next year and do the same again... and repeat...
 
**** human rights, disruptive kids deserve a good kicking, it's the only way some of them will learn to STFU
 
Only last night at kendo my sensei (also a good friend) was telling me how he was struck at school that day....by a girl !!!!
He could do nothing but have words in the office with her and the head of staff.
The school he works at operates a "non exclusion" policy.
OMG what is this country coming to?!?!?
The kids have nothing to fear as there is no punishment for them. Utter, utter contempt, disregard and disrespect of those that help educate them.
My friend had to have the rest of the day off as it affected him quite badly.
He's been a teacher for over 17 years and will have experienced all types of behaviour, but he says it doesn't get any less shocking when a student either answers back or actually physically assaults you.
Parents aren't always to blame. He teaches advanced maths and as such this girl would have a level of intelligence that should be beyond what she did.
I would love to have heard that he totaly tw@ted her with his shinai.
Sadly, my friend felt he had to 'tow the corporate line' and not ask for further punishment to her, just so the school board looked favourably on him, which they did.

Sad times indeed.
 
Banzai_Joe said:
Only last night at kendo my sensei (also a good friend) was telling me how he was struck at school that day....by a girl !!!!
He could do nothing but have words in the office with her and the head of staff.
The school he works at operates a "non exclusion" policy.
OMG what is this country coming to?!?!?
The kids have nothing to fear as there is no punishment for them. Utter, utter contempt, disregard and disrespect of those that help educate them.
My friend had to have the rest of the day off as it affected him quite badly.
He's been a teacher for over 17 years and will have experienced all types of behaviour, but he says it doesn't get any less shocking when a student either answers back or actually physically assaults you.
Parents aren't always to blame. He teaches advanced maths and as such this girl would have a level of intelligence that should be beyond what she did.
I would love to have heard that he totaly tw@ted her with his shinai.
Sadly, my friend felt he had to 'tow the corporate line' and not ask for further punishment to her, just so the school board looked favourably on him, which they did.

Sad times indeed.
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Colleges (at least the one I worked at) get paid per student by the LEA in quarters, a quarter for each term and a quarter for achieving a certain level. It's in the interest of the school to keep all the students, regardless of their performance (even at the detriment of other students), because if they get rid they don't get paid! :mad:
 
Kind of related but I was a little **** in school (no, not proud)

But a few of the male teachers knew what they were doing, if you answered back they would react almost violently, coming towards you while screaming at you and it made you think "Is he gonna go for me?!" which in turn made me sit down and stfu.

But from what I hear now, teachers aren't even allowed to raise their voice to kids?

If even one teacher had been allowed to hit me in school I am sure my school days would have been much different . . . might even of got useful grades!
 
Totally agree.........get whacked around the head with a ruler taught us to behave........enough said.
With powder puff punishment being metered out nowadays, what do these disrespectful little turds have to fear?
NOTHING!!
 
Usually being chased down the corridor by the head master screaming "tuck your shirt in, or I'll do it for you" was enough to keep us in line lol
 
MrMoonX said:
why don't you just worry about your own studies and ignore everyone else, if they want to do sweet FA then its none of your concern really
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I try to! Wherever I go there is always some kids messing around. I am very fortunate to not have any annoying people in my classes at the moment, I did last year and there was no surprise that everyone in that class did fairly badly.
I do use earphones,they are not in ear so they are not that sound proofing. I will consider getting some proper sound proofing ones it's just I have had bad luck using in ear ones in the past as I find them really uncomfortable.
I have my University offers so the pressure is higher than ever to do well and these kids have nothing better to do than annoy others, I bet you can guess that what subjects they do.
 
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