Top quality 32" Plasma or LCD...

get the new sony x series lcd... the best you can buy for your money
The new pioneer plasma looks the part, quality picture but you gotta look out for screen burn!
 
pinkaardvark said:
A sony bravia which should now have the same panels as samsung, albeit when I purchased sony still were on the older tech.
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Cant believe some of the tripe posted on here, Sony on older tech?
Your reply seems to state that Sony are behind in LCD tech this wasnt the case since last September.

I think youll find that Sony/Samsung co produce their panels, Samsung is still the worlds largest LCD prodiucer. However if anything although they do share simular tech the more expensive Sonys tend to get the better technology in most models. Sony also add additional technology, their unique styling and bravia branding.
 
Mr Latte said:
Cant believe some of the tripe posted on here, Sony on older tech?
Your reply seems to state that Sony are behind in LCD tech this wasnt the case since last September.

I think youll find that Sony/Samsung co produce their panels, Samsung is still the worlds largest LCD prodiucer. However if anything although they do share simular tech the more expensive Sonys tend to get the better technology in most models. Sony also add additional technology, their unique styling and bravia branding.
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Sorry. But not tripe. When I bought my samsung no sony panel had the same features and that was back in december, ie 8ms response time 40" screen and a host of other things I can remember. I'm sure Sony now are using the same or even newer panels but it was not only clear to myself and 1000's of members on the AV forums that the panel I purchased was not available in the sony range when I purchased it.

Sorry if I have upset the sony fanbhoys!
 
Im not going to argue with you but your wrong and although this is not a personal attack why is it so often people on these forums tend to state absolute nonsense without checking or researching their own comments. The fact you didnt even check after my original post just confirms how sloppy your research / product matching must have been at the time of purchasing

For your information Sony released the Bravia range last Sept 05 this included the S & V series that have now been superceeded with the 2000 models (spring 06) and ALL of these were based on 8ms panels.

Several people on here purchsed the 40" models last Autumn/Winter so you stand corrected and for the record im not a fanboy but once again resorting to name calling is all so common.
 
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Mr Latte said:
Im not going to argue with you but your wrong and although this is not a personal attack why is it so often people on these forums tend to state absolute nonsense without checking or researching their own comments. The fact you didnt even check after my original post just confirms how sloppy your research / product matching must have been at the time of purchasing

For your information Sony released the Bravia range last Sept 05 this included the S & V series that have now been superceeded with the 2000 models (spring 06) and ALL of these were based on 8ms panels.

Several people on here purchsed the 40" models last Autumn/Winter so you stand corrected and for the record im not a fanboy but once again resorting to name calling is all so common.
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Did the sony models prior to the 2000 models have ambient light sensors?

And I wasn't saying there wasn't an 8ms sony. There have been 8ms screen by a lot of manufacturers for some time. But the specific screen and features in my samsung were not available in any Bravia I could find back in November.
 
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OMG are you asking for more of a pasting, dont try and fix things.

pinkaardvark said:
When I bought my samsung no sony panel had the same features and that was back in december, ie 8ms response time 40" screen and a host of other things I can remember.
Sorry if I have upset the sony fanbhoys!
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You and the 1000s of other you seemed to mention must have been dreaming or is this all a figment of your imagination. Everyone thats up on TV tech knows the Sony Bravia and "V" series in particular were among last years best LCDs with possibly the Phillips a close popular second. This was common knowlwedge and the Sony V series had a running thread amongst the biggest on AVF at the time of release, but you missed it?

pinkaardvark said:
A sony bravia which should now have the same panels as samsung, albeit when I purchased sony still were on the older tech.
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Ok so you now what to change your statement from that YOUR Samsung was the only 40" 8ms panel available because Sony were on OLDER tech to saying in a childish way "mine has ambient light sensors"

The fact remains that if you wanted the best the Samsung wasnt the best available at the time. You say you spent 2k on the Samsung which again i find as hard to believe considering it was available for much less. Sensors are not a major picture quality issue and as for the sensors no the original models didnt have them but the "V" model allowed a manual preset and a "dimmer function" to do the same thing but on a manual level to manual settings. Indeed the feature has been transported over to the new 2000 models but not everyone is convinced just how good or usefull it is..


Anything else?
 
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ScoobyDoo69 said:
less than 800mm wide, with money no object...

can can you guys do for me :D
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Now what all do you want to use the screen for?

Is HTPC or PC connectivity a requirement?
I assume money is an object so what is your budget?
Dont think Plasma is available in such a size?

800mm wide is going to be a problem is this your maximium because for 32" it might not fit as 32" is approx 815mm diag so looks like youll be limited to a smaller screen perhaps a 26"/27"
 
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Mr Latte said:
Now what all do you want to use the screen for?

Is HTPC or PC connectivity a requirement?
I assume money is an object so what is your budget?
Dont think Plasma is available in such a size?

800mm wide is going to be a problem is this your maximium because for 32" your going to need a very slim casing model to fit.
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PC connectivity a definate, hdtv a def too.
The samsung r73 (or something like that) 32" is 800mm wide and it looks rather nice too.

ScoobyDoo69
 
I think and this is always a hard decision is deciding do you then get a 30" model that:
a) fits
b) offers a good performance

Or a smaller 26"/27" that:
a) is smaller but more expensive brand/model but offers a superior perfromance.

Be serious and give us a budget as no point people looking for you and wasting their time on models that will not be suitable because of price.

Its going to come down to smaller/better/more expensive to a model thats bigger fits and maybe isnt as good. You decide, quality or quantity whats more important to you.
 
Mr Latte said:
OMG are you asking for more of a pasting, dont try and fix things.



You and the 1000s of other you seemed to mention must have been dreaming or is this all a figment of your imagination. Everyone thats up on TV tech knows the Sony Bravia and "V" series in particular were among last years best LCDs with possibly the Phillips a close popular second. This was common knowlwedge and the Sony V series had a running thread amongst the biggest on AVF at the time of release, but you missed it?



Ok so you now what to change your statement from that YOUR Samsung was the only 40" 8ms panel available because Sony were on OLDER tech to saying in a childish way "mine has ambient light sensors"

The fact remains that if you wanted the best the Samsung wasnt the best available at the time. You say you spent 2k on the Samsung which again i find as hard to believe considering it was available for much less. Sensors are not a major picture quality issue and as for the sensors no the original models didnt have them but the "V" model allowed a manual preset and a "dimmer function" to do the same thing but on a manual level to manual settings. Indeed the feature has been transported over to the new 2000 models but not everyone is convinced just how good or usefull it is..


Anything else?
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OMG I'm asking for a pasting.. lol you are so venomous... is there any need?. Ok so I apologise if I was wrong. I stand corrected I think. But no I wasn't just saying the samsung was the only panel at the time with 8ms and 40", my post quite clearly says "and a host of other things" one of which was the ambient light sensor. The big thing at the time that I now recall was there was no sony with 5000:1 dynamic contrast or an SPVA panel. But then i'm not an expert and don't claim to be, i'm just offering opinion. Maybe seeing as you're the resident God of all things electrical you can enlighten me further to the actual specs of Sony's old panel and i'll compare them again.

Thanks.

p,s, As to calling me a liar.. i'm more than happy to send you the invoice from the store that was the only place in the UK to have stock available when I purchased my TFT. The only cheaper place having closed days before due to the hemel hempstead oil refinery fire.

and as to whether I bought the best panel or not, your opinion is irrelevant in the context of my post. Which I feel I may need to remind you is simply my opinion of which I am free to offer as it was requested by the thread poster. As with all things audio-visual personal preference is king, and I witnessed no better panel on display at the time that suited my needs and if you don't like that there's no need to start an argument by saying that i'm posting "tripe", I'd undertstand that if I was saying some chungwa picture tube company telly was great and not the 2005 eisa award winner.
 
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Well you can always rely on a good argument on OCUK, really i dont mind confrontation if its cival and i had thought you had put this to bed but im sorry if its annoyed you so much however as you asked then yeah i suppose i can enlighten you some more but after this I had thought we could maybe get back to actually trying to help the OP.

Lets clear things up

Firstly i havnt called you anything, i think youll find youve now called me something twice (fanboy / AV King) ahem.

Yes i proclaimed that some of the things you said were totally inacurate, i also didnt think you spent 2k on the Samsung for the simple reason they are usually always cheaper and this was the Sony price-point. People on here boast all the time about their purchases and so what but the reason why i doubted (please note not call you a liar) the amount you paid was because of some of your statements/replies seem very inconsistant or inacurate.

Across your posts you seem to now twice found a way to try and back up your argument that the Sony didnt have "backlight sensor" and now "5000:1"
Can i point out to you that these are minor features and are not good ways to judge the performance of a product. Ive already explained the Sony's option for the "light sensor" but as for "contrast ratings" these are completely inacurate as there is no set uniformed way of measuring contrast levels or contrast peaks within the industry. Different manufacturers use different ways of measuring and as such the listed specs should be taken with a little salt in this area.

Now lets be cival here and consider the facts you made that along with 1000s (no not just a few but thousands according to you) of other people on AV Forums that the Samsung was the one to buy and lets help remember.
albeit when I purchased sony still were on the older tech.
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no sony panel had the same features and that was back in december, ie 8ms response time 40" screen and a host of other things I can remember. I'm sure Sony now are using the same or even newer panels but it was not only clear to myself and 1000's of members on the AV forums
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This i find hard to believe as most people that frequent those forums are regulars and very knowledable on whats doing the rounds. It was very aparent last October onwards that the latest "Sony" range was the most popular and most recommended models both by the press/publications and by actual owners reporting (including my own comments made) on AVF. I find it hard to believe you missed all this and can then somehow decide your purchase based on "light sensor" & unreliable "contrast ratings"

Reasons dont matter as you mentioned "personal choice is king" which contradicts any discussing it with your 1000+ congragation on AVF. Also as the Sonys were available at that same price you paid and with a £200 off discount with other selected Sony products it was something i found rather strange. Anyways it really doesnt matter but im showing it was enough to cause reasonable doubt you paid what you said.

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So for the record the tripe talk was your inacurate report on Sony being old tech, and giving the impression that the Samsung was the only 40" with 8ms at your time of purchase. Yes this was your opnion but i corrected your comment with actual fact not my own opnion, i questioned your "1000+" statement from AVF and how they all helped you conclud the Samsung was the best featured 40" display particulary at the time with what was happening regards the Sonys on those boards. Later you now mention it was personal choice that made you decide which to buy, another inconsistancy? Finally i got to "enlighten you" (your words) with some points on the hardware but not once did i personally attack you. It was however "my opnion" nothing else that some of the things you said were tripe for the reasons reported and like you im totally entitled to explain them.

Im delighted your happy with your display and if you feel it was worth the money thats what counts.
 
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Well lets just put this to bed then. All I was trying to say was at the time I felt the samsung was better and had been given the opinion from folks on AVF that it was using a newer panel from their shared plant that Sony were not yet using in any of their models. I don't even know what SPVA means, but had read the samsung used some new technology that allowed a better widescreen representation. Did the older sony panels have this?
I also don't disagree about the 5000:1 or ambient light sensor as both of these features are turned off on my unit due to personal preference, but again at the time I felt the 1200:1 native contrast level was higher than most other models at the time also.
Do you have a link to the specs of said older sony, you've piqued my interest enough to go have a look and compare. I'm assuming that they were using the same panel at that time as samsung or a newer one from what you say.
Lastly the price of the samsung shouldn't be in dispute, as said I can send you the invoice but you can also read what people were paying and from where last nov/dec in the thread about the unit on AVF.
 
Im glad youve come back on the rails again, it wasnt personal i just dont like it when people say things in a thread thats meant to help someone that are far from the truth, perhaps a wild guess or assumption without at least checking their comments are correct. Its a personal gripe and why it started my onslaught, dont worry a bit about it, we will move on.

Comparing the panels may show many simularities but each company uses its own internal technologies particulary in picture enchancement features / scaling / colour purity /overscan / contrast / brightness levels etc. I dont for one moment think the Sammy is a bad model but as you mentioned and is often the case certain specifications/features are mere gimmicks with little value/benifits in real world viewing terms.

I paid £1800 for my V40 last October with the ongoing promotion and by wrangling a good deal from my local dealer ive shopped with for over 15 years but i could have paid £2300+ if i hadnt.

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Regards the OP i think the new Sony 2000 26" model or a Samsung model may be amongst the best choices, but as yet we await a budget....
 
quick Q, didnt the samsung panels start using the new P-MVA 8ms panel untill the new R73/4 Range

which was launched about the same sort of time as the sony, as they are in fact the same panels, just different drive circutry. Personally, i couldnt see Samsung getting too much of a head start in the market, on what is actually a joint venture between them.
 
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