Tories whose dads are well off.

[The Halk]

I loathe conservatism and the Tories, and my parents weren't (and still aren't) rich, but we have always been comfortable. Perhaps that could be described as lower-middle class?

I find that quite interesting because I have it in my head that your signature is one that usually indicates sound posting.

Generally I find people who hate tories to be short sighted, but I know you're not. Do you mind if I ask where your feelings are - for example do you feel that you're broadly socially liberal? Are you in favour of big or small government. Free trade? Protectionism? How do you feel about foreign wars outside of the UN. What about EU membership?

I'm going to try to use your responses to paint you as a classic liberal...

 

[mr_stat]

Shocked to read those who have worked hard to make sonething of themselves don't want to hand money on a plate to people who CBA.

Shocker.

Shocked to read people don't care about others once they *think* they have a few quid.

Shocker.

 

[Tefal]

I'm going to try to use your responses to paint you as a classic liberal...

I always thought naffa was hard-line communist tbh.

 

[Dave M]

Have money and want to keep it = vote conservative
Getting money and want to keep it = vote conservative
Have money and don't care about keeping it = vote Liberal
Have no money but want some in the future = vote labour
Have no money and never will have = vote labour
Have money but have a sense of equality = vote labour

I suspect you are giving away your politics ever so slightly - I'm sensitive like that.

The myth that the labour is for the working class and the tories the middle/upper class is just that, a myth, peddled by unions and lazy journalism.

The reality is conservatism (small c) is what the tories are about (more so than the alternativwes) and it's what the typical working class bloke is about too - they don't want lesbian marriages or coppers too scared to give a 10 year old a telling off. If anything labour is a middle class party in it's social aims.

If you are to generalise I would suggest aspirational = tory, bitter = labour and condescending = lib-dem.

So to copy your flawed logic:

Have no money but want better for your kids = vote tory
Have no money and neither will your kids = vote labour
Have an inflated sense of moral worth = vote lib-dem

 

[The Halk]

Let's find out Tefal - I'd be interested in your responses to the questions to, although don't feel obliged, I know it's difficult to get you to post here...

 

[shoes]

I am very tory and no, my parents are not well off.

 

[cm1179]

wait, people don't think cameron is actually a conservative do they?

 

[PGdude]

I voted Mori, but my family is Toyotomi.

 

[shoes]

Have no money but want some in the future = vote labour

Haaaaaaa hahahaha what on earth could labour possibly offer to people in terms of 'money in the future'? Assuming by money you mean more than just benefits...

Best laugh I've had all evening.

 

[Castiel]

I suspect you are giving away your politics ever so slightly - I'm sensitive like that.

The myth that the labour is for the working class and the tories the middle/upper class is just that, a myth, peddled by unions and lazy journalism.

The reality is conservatism (small c) is what the tories are about (more so than the alternativwes) and it's what the typical working class bloke is about too - they don't want lesbian marriages or coppers too scared to give a 10 year old a telling off. If anything labour is a middle class party in it's social aims.

If you are to generalise I would suggest aspirational = tory, bitter = labour and condescending = lib-dem.

So to copy your flawed logic:

Have no money but want better for your kids = vote tory
Have no money and neither will your kids = vote labour
Have an inflated sense of moral worth = vote lib-dem

Well said.

 

[Tefal]

Let's find out Tefal - I'd be interested in your responses to the questions to, although don't feel obliged, I know it's difficult to get you to post here...

oh i know what he describes himself as, it's social democrat or some equal ********.

but typically he sides with "take from people who work and give to those who don't" iirc.

 

[Tefal]

Have no money and no intention of working for it but want some in the future = vote labour .

 

[Castiel]

I loathe conservatism and the Tories, and my parents weren't (and still aren't) rich, but we have always been comfortable. Perhaps that could be described as lower-middle class?

I find that the Centre Right and Centre Left parties in the UK are much of a muchness tbh

I vote on manifesto pledges rather than assumed ideology....which means over the years I have voted for all three main parties and a couple of the other less well known ones as well at one time or another.....

 

[mr_stat]

I suspect you are giving away your politics ever so slightly - I'm sensitive like that.

The myth that the labour is for the working class and the tories the middle/upper class is just that, a myth, peddled by unions and lazy journalism.

The reality is conservatism (small c) is what the tories are about (more so than the alternativwes) and it's what the typical working class bloke is about too - they don't want lesbian marriages or coppers too scared to give a 10 year old a telling off. If anything labour is a middle class party in it's social aims.

If you are to generalise I would suggest aspirational = tory, bitter = labour and condescending = lib-dem.

So to copy your flawed logic:

Have no money but want better for your kids = vote tory
Have no money and neither will your kids = vote labour
Have an inflated sense of moral worth = vote lib-dem

Heh I do play devil advocate well. I don't vote, never have done and never will (based on the current crop). I'm a decent earner, and though the tax system is spanking me at the moment, I don't feel that shy away from making us all more equal.

I believe that we have to be moderate, encourage enterprise whilst ensuring fairness. That's not a Labour vs Conservative Vs Liberal thing - it's just my way of thinking. I do dislike pure greed, benefit scroungers, and ultra greens (so I'm probably average). That said I do think that everyone, irrespective of background has a right to free health care, free education whilst in an enviroment that constantly supports innovation. To much to ask? It appears so with the current idiots we have in power / wanting to be in power.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Shocked to read people don't care about others once they *think* they have a few quid.

Shocker.

Sorry I forgot it's fashionable to bash those on higher wages, perhaps the people who depend on the higher taxrate payers should learn to look past the end of their nose.

 

[Scotty123]

I would have voted LD when in my undergraduate (I never actually voted).

Towards the end of my degree, I decided (and did) to vote conservative.

I value responsibility, keeping the fruits of your labour, the right to self determination and the government not sticking its nose in.

Of course whether the conservative party now champions those things, I am not so sure. Feel a bit let down. Perhaps that could be argued but that's another topic. I won't be voting for them in the future.

Not sure what my parents voted. Possibly LD.

We weren't 'rich', but certainly had more than other people. It's my grandparents with the bags of money .

 

[The Halk]

I certainly think that Castiel is right.... Tories try to reach into the centre for extra votes, assured that anyone right of them will vote tory. Labour do the same in reverse. LibDems try to get votes from anywhere using their SDP credentials in Labour places and Liberal in Tory places. UKIP are getting Tory votes because the Tories are trying for centre votes, and they're getting LibDem votes because the LibDems are social democrats and not Liberal.

The main parties have nothing at their core any more apart from a need to be elected, nothing is sacred to them any more - they even admit it when they get beaten the polls they say they need to listen to the electorate... which translates to do whatever it takes to get into power.

 

[Tefal]

I don't feel that shy away from making us all more equal.

So why do you need to be forced to do it?

 

[booey1]

Used to by Tory, parents middle class?

 

[Dave M]

I'm 42, and I'm not jealous. Either participate or don't. But don't start with the personal slander.

It's not slander, it's a fact - I had a very narrow and bitter view of the world which has changed as I've seen more of it. To equate party politics purely with money is insulting to the millions of men and women who happen to disagree with your political opinion.

Obviously my personal politics are Conservative because they have done more for this country in the last 30 years then any other party and if it was left to labour we would be all the poorer for it.

My father is dirt poor and a staunch labour supporter, he hates the Conservatives - yet his politics are 100% conservative and if you listen to him he hates what labour stands for (immigration, benefits, single mothers).

He has been told to support labour because he's poor, he's been told this by rich media barons and union leaders who are tied in to the Labour power base. Labour has done nothing for the poor but keep them poor.

At the end of the day I can only form opinions from experience - anyone would be a fool to take too much notice of what the politicians or press have to day, they do not share your interests, ever.