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Torn between 7970 & GTX 680

I agree AMD did have loads of problems for me but the 13.2 solved a lot of issues for me, i have now seen no problems with my 7970.

I dunno how ALXAndy can say such things tbh lol? HOT? wheres it hot? My card runs 50C full load at 30% fan speed :\

Power consumption is tiny bit difference between the 2 cards and like mentioned it has a bigger bus on the 7970 and its worth it!

Underperform? Maybe before xmas but soon as them wonder drivers were released they overtook Nvidia.

If the 680 had a bigger bus then i would have went Nvidia though.
 
+1 These issues we've all experienced with AMD are apparently a myth though. Nvidia does have its problems as well but no where near as much as you see people troubleshooting their AMD card.

Think thats what has bugged me the most. I shouldnt be needing to raise 2d clocks to get a card stable on desktop for lords sake. I bought the MSI platinum and the MSI Lightning and both had issues - chip lottery even on the top end cards in the range.
 
I agree AMD did have loads of problems for me but the 13.2 solved a lot of issues for me, i have now seen no problems with my 7970.

I dunno how ALXAndy can say such things tbh lol? HOT? wheres it hot? My card runs 50C full load at 30% fan speed :\

Power consumption is tiny bit difference between the 2 cards and like mentioned it has a bigger bus on the 7970 and its worth it!

Underperform? Maybe before xmas but soon as them wonder drivers were released they overtook Nvidia.

If the 680 had a bigger bus then i would have went Nvidia though.

The bus makes no difference really unless you're playing above 1080p. If your card is doing 50c on say BF3 after 1 hour at only 30% fan speed then I want some of what you're smoking. Unless it's under water or you have your windows open with a 5c room temp that aint happening.
 
It's going to far to say this is amd's fermi. Gtx680=295mm2 and 7970=365mm2. Gtx480=529mm2 and 5870=334mm2. Amd have the performance advantage while using a part thats a fully blown compute part with a bigger front side bus. They only used 70mm2 more to achieve this while nvidia needed 195mm2. I can't see where the 7970 under performs for the size of chip when you consider the bigger bus and it being a compute part. I don't even think its that hot comparing to the gtx680 and the power use does come with extra performance especially at higher resolution.

My stock 7970 was really loud. Especially when used in 3D. Far too loud to be considered quiet.

That was a stock cooler which should be good enough. It wasn't, I saw temps of over 80c with it at 80% and by then the noise drove me nuts.

You're right about the die size and the direct compute. All of which were laughed at when Nvidia released their mid ranged chips which at the time pretty much laughed at AMD's. Per die size Tahiti should be light years ahead of Kepler but it just isn't.

I'm not in any shape or form surprised that AMD got a driver out there that made Tahiti perform better than the Kepler equivalents. They should ! their technology cost far more than Kepler.

What I mean by it being AMD's Fermi is bang on. When released it was hot (for the technology) slow and uses a lot of power.Sure it's been revised and sure there are aftermarket coolers around but that's exactly what happened with Fermi. Look how much better the 580 was compared to the 480 in terms of temps and noise.

That was fixed by adding low leakage transistors and a much better cooler. AMD released the ghz editions and with drivers they have taken the podium places again.

But let's not forget for a minute what a laughing stock they became when Nvidia released Kepler. For a mid ranged part that beat all of AMD's offerings in terms of value AND performance that squarely makes Tahiti a Fermi in any one's books.

I mean damn, even though Fermi was faster than the 58xx cards it STILL got laughed at for being too hot, too loud and guzzling power down like no one's business.

By the EOL however the tables turned.

I highly doubt that Nvidia will be able to come back with a magic driver. It doesn't surprise me that AMD have the 7970 where it should have been at launch. But they didn't and a lot of grass grows when you sit back hoping.

As I say, have a think about what I have said. The 79xx launch was pretty disastrous in any one's books. Loads of people waited for Kepler, then they bought Kepler. They were right to do so IMO too.

So AMD may be making some sales back now but the important ones were missed.
 
The bus makes no difference really unless you're playing above 1080p. If your card is doing 50c on say BF3 after 1 hour at only 30% fan speed then I want some of what you're smoking. Unless it's under water or you have your windows open with a 5c room temp that aint happening.

I have an ASUS Direct CU2 so yeah go buy one mate :D Its in a Phantom 820 case, it does have a side panel 200mm fan near the GPU but im sure even if it didnt it wouldnt get much hotter.

The bigger bus also helps with AA and alround future proofing.
 
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You don't buy cards to futureproof if you're going for best performance, you update every generation anyway. I'd need to see proof of those temps after a decent gaming session at room temp. 50c is way too low for an extended period under full load.
 
I will do some gaming when im back and get the highest temp and link a GPUZ shot.

Well a 7970 is pretty top class still i doubt it will struggle mugch with most games.

Crysis is always a ******* even with the best tech in the world, so dont mention that lol.

And Farcry 3 is buggy as hell and really needs work done to it, sometimes it plays fine sometimes it wont.
 
my 7970 has worked perfectly since launch except when i've flashed bios' or some such. Everyone know's you had problems with your 7970 Andy and after what happened with your 6970 lightning (and your endless tweeking and flashing of the bios etc until it died) i'm not surprised you have gone with the green team, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to, or regard your word as gospel.
 
The bus makes no difference really unless you're playing above 1080p. If your card is doing 50c on say BF3 after 1 hour at only 30% fan speed then I want some of what you're smoking. Unless it's under water or you have your windows open with a 5c room temp that aint happening.

Actually it does. Not a lot at 1080 but a little. The real benefits are of course triple screen or super HD resolutions.
 
The bus is there for future games to take advantage of also.

I know ive said it before but skyrim already uses more then 2GB so you cant really argue which card is the better these days.
 
The bus is there for future games to take advantage of also.

I know ive said it before but skyrim already uses more then 2GB so you cant really argue which card is the better these days.

So because a heavily modded Skyrim uses more than 2gb vram there's no argument? Nvidia wins in some games so I don't think there should be any argument. Is that fair?

You really do come across stupid at times Hamish.
 
I think people tend to forget sometimes that the 79xx cards are AMD's Fermi. Hot, use a lot of power for the nm and underperform for what they should bne doing.

You what? lol.... :p

I have seen you endlessly fighting around this forum with anyone who says anything remotely tarnished about Nvidia.

At the same time you also run around spouting BS about AMD cards.

You want to call people fanboys?

Here, read this... http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/page11.html

Every single AMD line of GPU there other than the 7970 is more power efficient than all Nvidia equivalents

7950; more power efficient than the GTX 660TI, 7870; more power efficient than the GTX 660, 7850; more power efficient than the GTX 650TI for goodness sake.

The only exception is the 7970 vs GTX 680, by 12 Watts, and yet is still far more efficient than the GTX 560TI < one of those Fermi cards you liken the 7### series to.... Good Grief... :rolleyes:

The temps are just as good as any Nvidia if not better, i can't get my 7870 to run at over 60c even if i try, mostly its nowhere near that! But then it would be like that, it uses the same power as the much less powerful GTX 650TI, any of this sinking in yet? :D The 7970 you had was BROKEN!

Let me quote that again.

I think people tend to forget sometimes that the 79xx cards are AMD's Fermi. Hot, use a lot of power for the nm and underperform for what they should bne doing.

They more often than not have better performance per Watt than Nvidia.

Stop talking crap.

Back to sanity... the Never Settle Reloaded Bundle is already out;- http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/never-settle/Pages/nsreloaded.aspx
 
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I have seen you endlessly fighting around this forum with anyone who says anything remotely tarnished about Nvidia.
Just an observation, but have you ever read your own posts when anyone remotely tarnished about AMD? You are one of the worse culprits on the forums for it.

I normally don't even notice these things, but you stand out a mile.

And as for the power consumption, try checking other reviews, they don't give the same picture when it comes to what has the best power consumption.

Example >> http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/59265-his-hd-7970-iceq-x-hd-7950-iceq-x-review-13.html
 
So because a heavily modded Skyrim uses more than 2gb vram there's no argument? Nvidia wins in some games so I don't think there should be any argument. Is that fair?

You really do come across stupid at times Hamish.

Really? your only going on like this since u have a 680 lol!

And what games does it win in? Nvidia games yeah :\

What im saying is why bother paying up to £120 more for a 680 when the 7970 is overall a better card?

And the Vram and bus is a bonus.
 
Just an observation, but have you ever read your own posts when anyone remotely tarnished about AMD? You are one of the worse culprits on the forums for it.

I normally don't even notice these things, but you stand out a mile.

And as for the power consumption, try checking other reviews, they don't give the same picture when it comes to what has the best power consumption.

Example >> http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/59265-his-hd-7970-iceq-x-hd-7950-iceq-x-review-13.html


The review i posted was the reference GPU's compared in a real game, in this case Crysis 2 which is very GPU heavy.

What Canucks have tested there was 3'rd party AMD GPU's, in this case HIS, on a Synthetic benchmark suit.

I agree different Games / Applications will give different results.

What ALXAndy said, however;
I think people tend to forget sometimes that the 79xx cards are AMD's Fermi. Hot, use a lot of power for the nm and underperform for what they should bne doing.

is utter nonsense rhetoric, and very obviously so to anyone who knows anything about it.

but have you ever read your own posts when anyone remotely tarnished about AMD?

Well, your entitled to your opinions, just as i'm entitled to dismiss them.
 
Well, your entitled to your opinions, just as i'm entitled to dismiss them.

He does have a point though: it's all well and good being a "brand defender" but you can't then start lambasting somebody else if you perceive them to be doing that exact same thing but just for the other side. :p
 
Humbug isn't that bad to be fair, I've seen worse.

No offence to Andy but he does seem to be an extreme case, apologies Andy.

Lol, i love your terms rusty. First you taught me 'PEBKAC' and now 'Brand Defender'. What next? :D
 
Everyone know's that the nVidia cards are better than AMD in general, besides, AMD can't do drivers... Go for a GTX680.

;)
 
Humbug isn't that bad to be fair, I've seen worse.

No offence to Andy but he does seem to be an extreme case, apologies Andy.

Lol, i love your terms rusty. First you taught me 'PEBKAC' and now 'Brand Defender'. What next? :D

I was going to use fanboy but then I realised it will just result in pages of whinging and I hate the word anyway :D. Brand defender is polite at least.

;)
 
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