Soldato
I'd be interested in seeing this, if it did happen and its a big if there would be loads of videos of it on you tube and the like.
Tower block fire - london
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I'd be interested in seeing this, if it did happen and its a big if there would be loads of videos of it on you tube and the like.
Would not surprise me in the slightest if K&C council will sell the land to the highest bidder with a requirement to build a memoriam amongst in a myriad of unaffordable homes. The council decided to **** off the Grenfell Tower victims in order to discharge their responsibilities to re-house them.
Soldato
Smells like the BS the Sun put out about liverpool fans taking a slash on police at hillsborough.
Soldato
Exactly this. Theother questions people need answered is why and how did grenfell in the space of months go from being listed for demolition to suddenly getting a 10 million refit
So in May 2014 there was an application pending for demolition
https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/bconline/bu...o?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_RBKC_BCAPR_123520
then suddenly on July 4th there is an application for refit that is subsequently approved on August 4th
https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/planning/se...=decision&tab=tabs-planning-2#tabs-planning-1
I know councils change their mind about things all the time, but going from wanting to raze a building to the ground to pumping 10 million into it is a pretty big frigging change of heart.
Also why did they want to demolish it in the first place ? There must have been a reason e.g not financially viable to renovate or some other reason. So why did that reason suddenly not remain that important or valid ?
A lot of questions need answering and the proposed whitewash inquiry will not address any of these.
Caporegime
Sounds like normal behaviour of council estate kids all over London. Doesn't even make me think it didn't happen, intact I'm sure it did happen. Of it has a flashing blue light it's a target.
Hell the kids on North peckham estate called ambulances just to throw bricks at them, postman won't deliver without s police escort. Those were the days.
Hell the kids on North peckham estate called ambulances just to throw bricks at them, postman won't deliver without s police escort. Those were the days.
Happens TBH - there is an old factory near me - council listed it for demolition then spend a lot of money prepping the site to turn it into a educational/conference centre type thing which then didn't go ahead, then they sold it to a developer for flats which fell through partially completed, then they pulled most of the new work down and started building flats to a different style and last year removed every sign of any new development and it just remains the decaying outer hulk of the original structure and has just sat like that getting progressively more overgrown for a year now.
EDIT: Its currently being advertised as being available for bespoke design and build as a leasehold.
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Youtube is part of the MSM conspiracy to quash <whatever ******** conspiracy theory> guys! Lolzors at your naïvety.
Postman won't deliver in North Peckham without a police escort and that makes you certain this happened? False premise, and irrational conclusion.
From somebody who has spoken directly to one of the firefighters who first responded.
Of course this is not going to be valid evidence on here though
Soldato
Well to be fair it is just hearsay.
Caporegime
your quoting technique is the only irrational thing here
My missus parents are both ex paramedics that worked in Manchester and with the things they've told me, the above wouldn't surprise me!
bbc programme about victim identification, and coroner responsibilities
Identifying victims
Evidence provided by the press (bbc/c4) that residents had rejected Martin Moore's appointment seemed circumstantial, absence of formal vote from the residents, and media just presented interviews of 'friends' of residents (one interview on bbc main news), labour concillors then refer to these interviews themselves without identifying any first hand feedback.
Once again, example of media playing both sides off against one another, residents believe stories propagated by media, and effective action on the investigation is delayed.
Since some residents, with respect to re-housing, are not contactable, maybe there is no consolidated voice.
Identifying victims
Evidence provided by the press (bbc/c4) that residents had rejected Martin Moore's appointment seemed circumstantial, absence of formal vote from the residents, and media just presented interviews of 'friends' of residents (one interview on bbc main news), labour concillors then refer to these interviews themselves without identifying any first hand feedback.
Once again, example of media playing both sides off against one another, residents believe stories propagated by media, and effective action on the investigation is delayed.
Since some residents, with respect to re-housing, are not contactable, maybe there is no consolidated voice.
Soldato
Most people on here would not know what effect a different judge would have on an enquiry, if at all. If you are involved in a civil case, you do not get to select a judge. Your advocates, solicitor and barrister, yes, but not the judge.
There is a degree of agitation in trying to steer this enquiry from fact finding about what went wrong and how to prevent it reoccurring to a more political stance on individual blame and criminality. That would be for the ongoing police enquiry.
I would have to question whether the £10m actually comes from the K&C piggy bank (£240m). Likely sources of money includes section 106, community infrastructure levy, grants from central government on energy efficiency, etc. Perhaps a FOI request to DCLG will reveal the extent of funding to K&C. And of course, the council's officials were happy to refurbish the Grenfell Tower so that they can add "Project Management experience" on their CVs.
That link, says Rydon Maintenance Ltd made the request and other link 20thJune,suggests it was just a necessary pre-cursor to re-fit
"DEM/14/02401 relates to the parts of the building, which were removed as enabling works to facilitate the building works under FP/14/03563"
maybe I do not - for this judicial public enquiry (does that necessitate a judge), as the media has suggested, is it not the nature of the cases he has taken that make him
more or less competent to take on the role. ?
Soldato
More that the rulings he has made on the cases he has heard. It is the Judges role to listen to the evidence from all sides and make a ruling based on the facts.
I feel a bit sorry for the judge, he seems like a highly experienced reasonable person - seems like they're lucky to get him, however they've all just shouted him down and not given him a chance... Whilst I can't imagine the horror that some of the residents experienced, I can't help thinking that they just want to see instant revenge, rather than a proper enquiry.
Soldato
Yes, it appears that one or more people either confuse a Judge led public enquiry with a criminal court or just want to create chaos or delay.
Expecting arrests to follow the former is wrong whereas expecting criminal proceedings to follow the ongoing police enquiry is proper.
We have a system of law in this country that separates the judiciary from the investigative role of the police. Judges do not initiate warrants for arrest or trial.
Caporegime
You'd be surprised how often attacks on firefighters occur.
Probably can get the data about your local FRS via a FOI.
