Transfer window deadline before the season starts?

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Premier League clubs will discuss the proposed introduction of a new summer transfer window that closes before the opening game of next season.

It is understood talks will take place between every club next month about whether to change the deadline of the current window, which closes nearly three weeks after the first game of the season.

Sky Sports News has been told by sources that the "majority" of top-flight clubs currently favour an earlier closure, and the issue could be voted on during their next shareholders' meeting in September.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/n...sfer-deadline-forward-to-before-season-starts

Thoughts on this?

I'm not convinced it's a good idea. Other transfer windows will still be open around Europe and I think it's more likely to put us at a disadvantage, even if there are some benefits (like with the current Coutinho situation and previous De Gea situation a couple of seasons ago).
 
Robbo said:
Other transfer windows will still be open around Europe and I think it's more likely to put us at a disadvantage
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This is the main reason why I dont believe it will work as well as some claim it will

Im also not convinced its an advantage in the Coutinho /De Gea situation either, they can still force their way out - just means the English club concerned cant get a replacement during those three weeks or so.
 
Pointless unless they make all European leagues start on the same week, otherwise it does nothing as players can still force a sale and managers still have no better assurance of their squad at the start of the season
 
I don't think the different dates will make a big difference. Although players could still attempt to force an exit, the fact that their club can't sign a replacement will make their attempts less likely to be successful which might deter them from trying to leave.

Take the Coutinho situation as an example, although I fully believe Liverpool's stance that he's not for sale, there's always the possibility that if Barca offer enough that Liverpool may decide for x amount we can replace him even at this late stage. If it were impossible for Liverpool to sign a replacement then it becomes far less likely that any amount would persuade them to sell.

Ultimately it's the selling clubs choice whether they sell or not and they'll be making that decision based on whether they can or need to buy replacments and no club in Europe is going to wait until after the PL's transfer window closes to try to do a deal because it will only be more expensive for them.
 
Its not a good idea. Once the season has started you might realise that you still need more players. The window would also be really really short when there is football over the summer like the WC etc.

Perhaps that player you didn't want to sell and you hoped would knuckle down and get on with it has decided he can't be bothered. Perhaps your star striker gets a season ending injury. I personally don't have much of a problem with the current system.
 
fez said:
Its not a good idea. Once the season has started you might realise that you still need more players. The window would also be really really short when there is football over the summer like the WC etc.

Perhaps that player you didn't want to sell and you hoped would knuckle down and get on with it has decided he can't be bothered. Perhaps your star striker gets a season ending injury. I personally don't have much of a problem with the current system.
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Any manager/club that doesn't know whether they have enough players going into the opening game should be sacked for complete incompetence. And the window is more than long enough - teams can and will begin negotiations for transfers before the season even ends. The window is only the dates in which you can transfer players registrations - the actual negotiations and agreements can be sorted months before if needs be. Deals only drag on because clubs use the deadline as negotiation tactic - teams interested in Barkley (for example) are waiting until the last minute hoping Everton lower their price. On the other hand you have selling clubs waiting until the last minute hoping somebody pays ott in desperation. If the window was 3 weeks shorter it would make no difference to the amount of deals being done - deals that will be completed in the last week of August will just be completed in the first week instead.

A player could get a season ending injury on September 1st too - unless you're going to go back to the old days where transfers could happen throughout the season that will always be a risk, hence why teams build squads knowing that players might get injured.

The only possible negative that can come about by this change is the point others have made about PL teams inability to react to a sale after deadline day. As above though, I don't see that being a massive issue as they control whether they sell a player or not.
 
BaZ87 said:
Any manager/club that doesn't know whether they have enough players going into the opening game should be sacked for complete incompetence. And the window is more than long enough - teams can and will begin negotiations for transfers before the season even ends. The window is only the dates in which you can transfer players registrations - the actual negotiations and agreements can be sorted months before if needs be. Deals only drag on because clubs use the deadline as negotiation tactic - teams interested in Barkley (for example) are waiting until the last minute hoping Everton lower their price. On the other hand you have selling clubs waiting until the last minute hoping somebody pays ott in desperation. If the window was 3 weeks shorter it would make no difference to the amount of deals being done - deals that will be completed in the last week of August will just be completed in the first week instead.
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I don't think thats true at all.

The end of August would just become the end of July and 90% of the issues would remain.

Also, how pleased would all the clubs be if other clubs were sniffing around their star players near the end of the season because they had so little time to plan and complete transfers. The CL only finishes at the very end of may and then in a world cup year you would have a few weeks to either sign players or you would have to wait until after the WC and use the 2 weeks then to complete deals. Almost no deals happen during a WC because clubs don't want to sell players that might have an amazing WC that boosts their price and countries don't want to have to try and prepare and compete in the WC with half their team being involved in transfers.

You would end up with effectively a 4 week transfer window split into 2 week sections a month apart. Clubs would hate it, players wouldn't be so keen and it would generally be a nightmare to get deals through the door.

BaZ87 said:
A player could get a season ending injury on September 1st too - unless you're going to go back to the old days where transfers could happen throughout the season that will always be a risk, hence why teams build squads knowing that players might get injured.
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Oh I know but it gives you nearly another month of leeway. Its just another plus point for keeping the window open a bit longer.

BaZ87 said:
The only possible negative that can come about by this change is the point others have made about PL teams inability to react to a sale after deadline day. As above though, I don't see that being a massive issue as they control whether they sell a player or not.
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Exactly. You have the power to keep players if you want. Its always a choice.
 
Thats no difference to if someone is suspended or injurred though - would Chelsea have dropped points last weekend if Babayoko was fully fit (for example)?

Its Man utd's bad luck if they play against Sigurosson vs Swansea at the weekend and then as has been rumoured he moves to Everton whom Utd meet in a few weeks time

Its just one of those things.

(edit - it may be ****** annoying, esp if that team drops points on one or both occasions because of that player, but should the rules be changed to accomodate it - no, not at all)
 
You haven't. It's no different to the Russian or Chinese transfer window being open at different times to ours now. You can only buy when your window is open but you can sell whenever another League's window is open.
fez said:
I don't think thats true at all.

The end of August would just become the end of July and 90% of the issues would remain.

Also, how pleased would all the clubs be if other clubs were sniffing around their star players near the end of the season because they had so little time to plan and complete transfers. The CL only finishes at the very end of may and then in a world cup year you would have a few weeks to either sign players or you would have to wait until after the WC and use the 2 weeks then to complete deals. Almost no deals happen during a WC because clubs don't want to sell players that might have an amazing WC that boosts their price and countries don't want to have to try and prepare and compete in the WC with half their team being involved in transfers.

You would end up with effectively a 4 week transfer window split into 2 week sections a month apart. Clubs would hate it, players wouldn't be so keen and it would generally be a nightmare to get deals through the door.



Oh I know but it gives you nearly another month of leeway. Its just another plus point for keeping the window open a bit longer.



Exactly. You have the power to keep players if you want. Its always a choice.
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Seeing as it's being reported that most clubs are in favour of a shorter transfer window it's clear that they won't hate it or at least that it doesn't concern them. Transfers don't take months to be completed and clubs know this. They can and will be completed much quicker if they had less time to do so. The only reason they drag on is because the deadline is used as a negotiation tactic - a negotiation that could be done in a matter of days might drag on 2 months because both sides are waiting for the other to blink first and one or the other knows that the longer it goes the stronger their position gets or weaker the other's gets. No manager realises on the 30th August that he needs a new striker after all.

You mention clubs won't be happy if other sides are sniffing around their players during the season, as if that doesn't happen already? Clubs don't start work on transfers the second the transfer window opens - they'll be talking to agents, players and clubs all year round. I'm pretty sure Lukaku is quoted as saying he'd been talking to potential new clubs for months.

As you say, the end of August will just become the week before the new season starts - nothing from this perspective will change therefore it's not a negative.

Again, the only possible negative that can come about by this change is teams inability to react to a sale after deadline day but as I've said, they control whether that happens and it may actually prove to be a positive if it deters players from trying to force a sale.

edit: and the point I was making regarding the injury comment was that clubs build squads knowing that players will get serious injuries. One injury shouldn't leave a club desperately needing to sign a replacement. Obviously you could get an extreme scenario where a club like Swansea could lose Sigurdsson (probably as important a player to his club as any in the League) to a season ending injury on the opening day but the reality is that Swansea couldn't afford to sign a replacement for him anyway.
 
The two major transfers that are up in the air are Sigurdsson to Everton and Van Dyke to Liverpool.

Swansea played Southampton on the first game of the season and neither of these players were on show. It is argued that the current transfer saga around these players is giving a disadvantage to the teams they currently play for. They have started the season with a player they cannot use and have not got a replacement for. This gives an "unfair" advantage to their opponents for the first month of the season.

That is the argument FOR this proposal. It is an idea that makes logical sense, surely a squad should be set for the first game of the season, but unless the big European leagues all agree to something similar then it would not really have much effect.

Would be funny if it's like New Year's Eve, with Jim White telling us what time it is in Germany and what deals they are getting through on deadline day
 
2018 Summer transfer window to close at 5pm on Thursday before start of the season.

From Sky Sports.

Premier League clubs have voted to close the summer transfer window before the first game of next season.

The 2018 window will close on the Thursday before the first match of the next campaign in August, and the new rule applies only to the buying of players.

Premier League clubs will still be able to sell players to other leagues whose transfer windows remain open until August 31.

The transfer window for the English Football League also remains unaffected, with clubs able to sell to lower division sides unless the EFL decides to bring its window in line with the top flight.

The Premier League transfer window in January remains unaffected by the impending changes.

The decision to make these changes was not unanimous but was reached by a majority of the 20 Premier League clubs.
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Pointless as if we keep the selling part open it won't stop players kicking off or being tapped up for the remainder of days, it should have been closed for selling too.

Either close it entirely or don't bother imo
 
Mark1989 said:
Pointless as if we keep the selling part open it won't stop players kicking off or being tapped up for the remainder of days, it should have been closed for selling too.

Either close it entirely or don't bother imo
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Selling part open is nothing to do with us. You can sell players at any point in the year. It's registering them. You can't stop a club from selling a player.
 
Mark1989 said:
Pointless as if we keep the selling part open it won't stop players kicking off or being tapped up for the remainder of days, it should have been closed for selling too.

Either close it entirely or don't bother imo
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This point is hugely exaggerated and imo will actually make this situation better for PL sides.

Put yourself in the position of a PL player wanting a move or a La Liga club wanting to buy a PL player - you'll know that you have little to no chance of completing a deal after the PL window has closed and even if you could persuade the PL club to sell, it will cost you far more than before it closed. You're not going to bother wasting your time. The PL window closing early will make it incredibly unlikely that somebody will try to buy from a PL side after the season starts and even less likely that a player will kick up a fuss because they'll know there's little prospect of them getting the move they want.

The only possible negative of this is it prevents a PL side from buying a replacement if they decide to sell but ultimately it's their decision if they sell and if they do it will be because they want to.
 
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