Trivium - The Crusade`
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RoB- said:
Burn the heathen! Justice had an AWESOME sound, play it loud and you can actually feel the guitar sound gnawing on your bones..
Trivium are a truly horrible band and I really, really don't like them. A really poor excuse for a band. Yet more proof that Roadrunner Records is one of the worst labels around, right now, and is the place for people who want to jump on bandwagons. It was full of nu metal bands 4 years ago, and now it's full of poor metalcore bands. Trivium really need to give it up. They are nowhere near as good as they think they are, or want to be.
The new KsE is dire too. Which is such a shame. AOJB? was one of the album that sorta got me into the metalcore scene, and it's still one of my favourite albums to this day. TEOH had a few really duff songs and this new one is boring as hell. Too same-y. It's probably the heaviest thing they've done but the production doesn't make it feel or sound like that. I think that Howard has turned the band to **** quite frankly. Too much singing too (not that singings a band thing, just the production seems more geared towards emphasising that, and as such the record loses most of its bite). It just doesn't feel like they mean it, anymore.
The new KsE is dire too. Which is such a shame. AOJB? was one of the album that sorta got me into the metalcore scene, and it's still one of my favourite albums to this day. TEOH had a few really duff songs and this new one is boring as hell. Too same-y. It's probably the heaviest thing they've done but the production doesn't make it feel or sound like that. I think that Howard has turned the band to **** quite frankly. Too much singing too (not that singings a band thing, just the production seems more geared towards emphasising that, and as such the record loses most of its bite). It just doesn't feel like they mean it, anymore.
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Spirit7 said:
I wasn't really comparing them but when I first listened to this I thought Annihilator which was what some of the songs reminded me of.
And I think I actually meant Sacred Reich rather than Testament which is what I said to a couple of my friends, not sure why I said Testament in this thread
I never rated Trivium and I laughed at the fact they seemed to consider themselves the next Metallica, they're not even in the same league.
Anyway, it just reminded me a lot of old school metal mixed with Trivium crapness.
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I just wish you could see from the mind of a 48 year old rocker how pathetic some of you sound.
"I'm not going to like them because its not hip" etc.
So what if they tip their hats to early Metallica - bring it on.
"I'm not going to like them because its not hip" etc.
So what if they tip their hats to early Metallica - bring it on.
I think that in terms of whats hip, and whats in, Trivium are very much one of the bands that most people would say are the "in" thing. I mean, how else could you explain their popularity?
For me, their music just seems deviod of any substance, intergrity, meaning and origniality.
I could probably cause some real controversy here and say that I don't like Metallica either. Early or otherwise....
For me, their music just seems deviod of any substance, intergrity, meaning and origniality.
I could probably cause some real controversy here and say that I don't like Metallica either. Early or otherwise....
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Woody__ said:
Thats no problem as long as you don't like Metallica because your mates or some Internet forum told you not to like them.
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A5H said:
So if you are not a 'scene kid' (whatever that is), then you have to dislike them because your peers say so.
When can young people start having a mind of their own?
Most of you weren't even born when Metallica started but every band that came after them basically copied them and it was great as a 25+ yr old to be able to buy this stuff. So to say that Trivium sound like Testament, Annihalator, Anthrax and a 1000 others is stupid when these bands copied Metal Licker in the firts place. Trivium are in a very long line of bands that are tipping their hats to the oldies and do an extremely good job of it. To dislike them because it isn't hip and you wear a different uniform is pathetic.
There are two types of music - good and bad.
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Woody__ said:
Reading the thread it came over that some posters dislike them because its the hip thing to do. There are a million bands all playing the same music and some youngsters have to define genres for minor differences and its pathetic. What the hell is metalcore? - sounds like any other metal genre to me. If its good then like it no matter what stupid genre its been labelled to. If Take That came back with an album where they'd copied Reign In Blood Slayer I'd still listen to it no matter who'd done it. In the old days we had one genre which was rock music and it was so much easier.
(Actually I'm going to lose this argument if someone is clever enough)
dmpoole said:
Yea because metalcore sounds exactly like power metal
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Wow, I didn't know you were 25+. Really? Why have you never said it before? You haven't by any chance seen Led Zeppelin and Queen have you? That would be
You're missing the major fact here, that as much as it would be much easier for you if people disliked them because it's "hip" (god what an awful word) to dislike Trivium, it's really not the case.
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I think there probably are people who dislike them because it's cool. Same as there are probably people who like them because it's cool.dmpoole said:
Of course there are millions of bands playing the same kind of music, so much so in fact that the entire "scene" is oversaturated with bands of this nature. That would be, metalcore bands.
To answer you question, metalcore is basically taking the elements of Gothenburg style death metal bands (a la, At the Gates) and mixing it with hardcore elements such as Sick of it All, Madball, Black Flag etc, as well as bits of classic metal (duelling harmonised guitar parts, like Iron Maiden) and balls to the walls riffage of thrash etc. It now seems to becoming the trend (at least, in the circles various friends of mine move in) that a lot of metalcore bands that are outside of the mainstream, that they're more closer to death metal than hardcore. But you of course, get diffrent varitions. Each variation though, still has elements in common with another. Which is why it can be classed roughly under metalcore.
It's clear that Trivium are trying to get rid of this tag altogether by trying to eliminate the more "core" elements of their sound and just trying to play a more straight up version of metal. Like old school Thrash or whatever. Wither this it a concious decision, or due to label pressure or whatever, is irrelevent. They're essentially watering down their sound in order to breakaway from the movement that helped spawn them and give rise to their popularity.
I still detest them anyway. Just boring.
So yeah, Metalcore is another metal genre. Like thrash, like death, like black and so on.
Genres are good, in my opinion, because at can allow you to put together bands of smilier influence who sound the same. It sorta makes it easier. Maybe back in the day it was all rock music, but we both know that it's not the case. Genres are now relevent due to the sheer volume of bands and diverging styles that exist. Maybe it was easier then. It is, unfortunatly, not so easy now.
And if Take That came back and sounded like Slayer. I'd listen to it, if I thought it was good. There are still two options of music, good and bad. There are silly people though who just follow the ebb and flow of the mainstream like sheep. I think people like that are sad. I have friends like this...and they know how I feel (and hate me for disliking Metallica).
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Well constructed informative post Woody unlike somebody else who holds a grudge (I can't help it if I'm old and I don't label).
There are only two labels - good and bad.
There are only two labels - good and bad.
dmpoole said:
I can't help it if I'm young, doesn't mean I include the information in all my posts. My profile page displays that information much more concisely. And no **** there's good and bad. Doesn't change the fact you can put bands into genres.
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dmpoole said:
Totally agree mate,I've been listening to Rock and Metal music since I can remember,early teens,possibly earlier! I'm 39 now and I get just as much of a kick out of it as ever.
I can't understand why Trivium are being slated in this thread for having musical influences and not being ashamed to integrate them into their music.
It's impossible to live life and not be influenced in one way or another,it's obvious they love Traditional/Power and Thrash Metal bands of the past,and it's a joy to realize that some young bands recognize the innovators and pay tribute to them without blatantly ripping them off!
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Just a point I may have noticed - the people that don't mind the inevitable comparisons between Trivium and Metallica, are they the older "generation" (myself included) who experienced Metallica the first time around? It sort of seems that the people that knock the comparison are the younger side of 20ish who didn't grow up/live/breathe/eat/sleep Metallica right from '83?
I'm not criticising, flaming, dissing bods younger than myself or whatever but it does seem peeps are more tolerant if they are somewhat older?
I'm not criticising, flaming, dissing bods younger than myself or whatever but it does seem peeps are more tolerant if they are somewhat older?
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riddlermarc said:
Its because we don't label things like the younger ones do. We only hear good or bad. Take every genre that the young uns can mention and we older uns will find good artists and bad artists in that made up genre and we will make a section on our MP3 players called Rock Music.