Trivium - The Crusade`

RoB- said:
It doesn't really matter, it's there for all to hear. The new trivium album does sound like metallica, but with cheesier lyrics. No question.
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I can see why some people may be disappointed with the new Trivium album,I've recently got hold of 'Ember to Inferno' and when I say recently,first heard it about an hour ago.(sorry,us oldies are a bit slow to catch on sometimes).

In my opinion it seriously rocks,faster and angrier than 'The Crusade', vocals have more dynamics(melodic screaming if you like,interjected with lovely slabs of purely sung melody,an amazing vocal performance imo)

Will listen to it further and also Ascendancy,I'm really beginning to like this lot!
 
Right, seeing as dmpoole's post was at least partially aimed at me (presumably for coming across as someone who doesn't like 'hip' metal), I feel I should defend myself.

Firstly, it means nothing that 'in your day' there was only 'rock music', but just for the sake of argument I can counter that - my dad is your age (perhaps even slightly older), and his influence got me into the music I'm into now. He says that there very much was subgenre-ing in 'his day': he uses the example of the glam, thrash and death (in the late 80s) scenes of the 80s: thrashers hated glam, glam rockers hated thrash. It's the same thing, just fast-forwarded.

Now, I'd like to make it clear that I don't dislike Trivium (or indeed any of the other en vogue 'metal' bands of the moment - A7X, 36 Crazyfists, Killswitch Engage etc etc) because they're hip, I dislike them because of their lack of originality, blind hero-worship and unwillingness to experiment. Basically - they're boring. Whilst I love the 80s bay area and German thrash scenes (Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Annihilator, Testament, Sodom, Destruction, Kreator, Slayer etc), that genre was a product of its time, and trying to emulate it AFTER releasing 2 albums satisfying the metalcore kiddies just to try and prove your 'metal' credentials is, quite frankly, pathetic. It's just an inferior rehash, in my opinion.

Bands such as Opeth, Mastodon, Agalloch, Ulver, Emperor,Tool, Katatonia, Anathema, Celtic Frost, My Dying Bride, Meshuggah etc try and be progressive, attempt to be original and exciting as opposed to rehashing old ideas and grappling for dear life onto a genre that will be dead in two years.

Hell, I love old metal - NWOBHM, old thrash, death, black, progressive - but I see no need for bands to release sub-standard emulations of their superior forefathers' records, albeit with whinier vocals and saccharine 'emotionally-charged' lyrics. Originality, inventiveness, and a fresh approach are key.
 
smit101 said:
I can see why some people may be disappointed with the new Trivium album,I've recently got hold of 'Ember to Inferno' and when I say recently,first heard it about an hour ago.(sorry,us oldies are a bit slow to catch on sometimes).

In my opinion it seriously rocks,faster and angrier than 'The Crusade', vocals have more dynamics(melodic screaming if you like,interjected with lovely slabs of purely sung melody,an amazing vocal performance imo)

Will listen to it further and also Ascendancy,I'm really beginning to like this lot!
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It's doesn't sound bad in parts I will admit, but I just can't stand the screaming part of the vocals. To my ears it just sounds wrong.

Edit: I mean Their first 2 albums, Ember To Inferno and The Ascendancy, I actually like the new one
 
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Spirit7 said:
Firstly, it means nothing that 'in your day' there was only 'rock music', but just for the sake of argument I can counter that - my dad is your age (perhaps even slightly older), and his influence got me into the music I'm into now. He says that there very much was subgenre-ing in 'his day': he uses the example of the glam, thrash and death (in the late 80s) scenes of the 80s: thrashers hated glam, glam rockers hated thrash. It's the same thing, just fast-forwarded.
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Read my post #32 and you win the prize :D
Yes we did have sub genres : rock, heavy rock, heavy metal, prog, blues, pop, glam etc.
I used to have mates that wouldn't crossover into other genres but I was fortunate to have lots of friends who would listen to anything without labelling.
My ex drummer would only listen to UFO, Scorpions, Judas Priest etc and anything remotely similar to Metallica was awful. At a gig last year I was playing music over the PA and it suddenly came to For Whom the Bells Toll and he started pulling faces. He asked who it was and if I continued to play material like that everybody would walk out. I told him to turn around and watch all of the audience singing along to it and he just said "muppets".
Hell, even my own father at the age of 72 can be heard listening to anything.

There is only one problem with having an open mind like mine - it costs an awful lot of money.
 
dmpoole said:
Read my post #32 and you win the prize :D
Yes we did have sub genres : rock, heavy rock, heavy metal, prog, blues, pop, glam etc.
I used to have mates that wouldn't crossover into other genres but I was fortunate to have lots of friends who would listen to anything without labelling.
My ex drummer would only listen to UFO, Scorpions, Judas Priest etc and anything remotely similar to Metallica was awful. At a gig last year I was playing music over the PA and it suddenly came to For Whom the Bells Toll and he started pulling faces. He asked who it was and if I continued to play material like that everybody would walk out. I told him to turn around and watch all of the audience singing along to it and he just said "muppets".
Hell, even my own father at the age of 72 can be heard listening to anything.

There is only one problem with having an open mind like mine - it costs an awful lot of money.
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LOL, if we're talking about open-mindedness, let me list some of my non-metal favourite artists....

Pink Floyd, Magma, Camel, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Walter Trout, Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Porcupine Tree, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Zappa, BB King etc etc.

Basically a whole lot of progressive rock and blues, as well as lots of jazz and electronic music that I haven't mentioned.

Back on topic....Trivium are STILL awful :P

-C
 
I was intrigued at Trivium as I hadn't heard about them before until I happened across a CD in a little indipendent music shop in Cheltenham. I was tempted but didn't.

One iTunes listen later, I have concluded they are a little heavy for me. :) I am more old skool so to speak.
 
riddlermarc said:
Just a point I may have noticed - the people that don't mind the inevitable comparisons between Trivium and Metallica, are they the older "generation" (myself included) who experienced Metallica the first time around? It sort of seems that the people that knock the comparison are the younger side of 20ish who didn't grow up/live/breathe/eat/sleep Metallica right from '83?

I'm not criticising, flaming, dissing bods younger than myself or whatever but it does seem peeps are more tolerant if they are somewhat older?
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As the original poster and the fact I did make the comparison between Trivium/Metallica and Megadeth I'd like to point out I am over 30 and have been listening to this sort of music for the better part of 20 odd years. I still listen to Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Pantera etc but also listen to a lot of varied modern stuff. I personally believe that I like stuff because its sounds good to ME not because it fits into a particular genre and not because it "hip" to like it.

I got accused of being a Scene Kid when I stated I disliked the GnR show at Download but to ME I thought they were dire...Metallica were bloody awsome thou (11th time I've seen them to date and intend to increase that number)

I have all 3 Trivium albums I like them all and also like the direction the sound is taking.

Any way as somebody said it sounded like Annihilator I'll have a listen to them and also go and find the new KSE album as I've liked everything they done, My Last Serenade being my favorite track.

Steve
 
J1nxy said:
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you have the same way of thinking as I do - at work this morning I have gone through Slayer, Megadeth then Slipknot so it spans a couple of decades. I don't like Slipknot because they're cool (I don't particularly think they ar cool) but I just really like the album.

At the end of the day it's just people's tastes and choice of influence isn't it - if we were all the same and liked the same music there would be no variety or progression :)
 
dmpoole said:
So if you are not a 'scene kid' (whatever that is), then you have to dislike them because your peers say so.
When can young people start having a mind of their own?

Most of you weren't even born when Metallica started but every band that came after them basically copied them and it was great as a 25+ yr old to be able to buy this stuff. So to say that Trivium sound like Testament, Annihalator, Anthrax and a 1000 others is stupid when these bands copied Metal Licker in the firts place. Trivium are in a very long line of bands that are tipping their hats to the oldies and do an extremely good job of it. To dislike them because it isn't hip and you wear a different uniform is pathetic.
There are two types of music - good and bad.
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What the hell.
You changed your arguement there :P
I was just pointing out a little fact for you.
 
SidewinderINC said:
i'd rather actually listen to metallica and megadeth than a **** poor tribute act.
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Amen brother! It is a shame that bands cannot be inspired and write cool new music anymore. "Trivium" - it's almost like they knew!
 
panthro said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Its not even funny how much they sound like Megadeth. The Anthem is probably the most irritating song playing on kerrang at the moment.
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I don't think they sound like megadeth. The 'deth had the ability to be heavy but also put in great memorable melodies and fantastic lyrics. Although good, Trivs guitar work is simply widdling with no real regard for dynamic or melody. Friedman was a master at writing the solo that was just right for the song. Triv simply cannot do this, their guitar work bores me.
 
Listening through the album now.
Some fairly good tracks, although nothing really awe-inspiring.

I'm so relieved they stopped doing the screaming. That prevented me listening to anything on their last album for more than 2 minutes. Would like to be able to listen to that album without it, as the music sounded fairly decent.
 
I wont be buying the new album.... but the Intro to "Rain" will forever be one of my favourite intros ever.

They've changed the vocals because they're trying to be differant, myself, I love screamed lyrics so thats one album sale they've lost, not that it matters now they've been on radio1.... pfft.

Its not like I havent given it a chance though, I checked out all the tracks on myspace and wasnt THAT impressed.
 
There is nothing wrong with a band trying to reach a wider audience. Afterall, this is their career and how they make their living. The bonus for me is it now listenable.
 
I like the new album. I think the best song is easily entrance of the conflagration, but i think that Matt should go back to his "unique" screaming instead of trying to be more like metallica.

I prefer the songs in asendancy though, much better all around album tbh..:)
 
gam3r said:
but i think that Matt should go back to his "unique" screaming instead of trying to be more like metallica.
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If he was to carry on sceaming like he used to, he would have mush for vocal chords in a few years.
 
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