TTIP Scary!!!

The French PM has already vetoed it for their health system. Cameron won't. Another reason to get out of the EU.
 
The EU, who are negotiating this for us, won't tell us the detail of what is in the proposed deals. UK officials get asked to leave the room whenever TTIP negotiations with the USA start.
 
It's a poorly written article with a lot of badly done, or lack of I suppose, research.

TTIP however is something to be worried about, especially the Investor-State Dispute Settlements.

scorza said:
UK officials get asked to leave the room whenever TTIP negotiations with the USA start.
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You've mentioned this a few times but never provided proof.

Roar87 said:
I don't need to sign a petition, I'll be voting Out
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It's worth signing to have debated anyway, because it's not a massive leap to see the US & UK pushing for something similar in the event of an EU exit.
 
When discussing TTIP everyone seems to worry about the NHS but, for me, the biggest potential problem on the list in OP's Independent link is point number six. How can any government justify signing up to a system where the country is punishable for taking policy decisions that adversely affect profits for signatory companies ?

The example given is that Germany had a similar agreement with a Swedish power company and when the German government decided to close all nuclear plants (after Fukushima) in the interests its people they found themselves subject to legal action because it affects the Swedish company's profit.

The logical extreme of this is governments having to consider the effects of their policies on private company's profits and balance that against the needs of the people.
 
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platypus said:
You've mentioned this a few times but never provided proof.
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The closest I can find to his comment is through Wikipedia.

Wikipedia said:
Only a handful of people can access the documents known as "consolidated texts", the drafts containing the most recent results of the negotiations. On the European side, authorised readers include the European Commission negotiators, most of them from the Directorate-General for Trade and some European Union members ministers and MPs. Upon the insistence of the US, the documents are not transmitted any more as electronic or even printed documents. They are only made available in a highly secured room in Brussels or in a number of US embassies in Europe. In all these secured rooms phones or other types of scanning device are forbidden. Blank sheets of paper, marked with the reader's names, are provided on which visitors can jot down their comments. On the US side, the procedure is similar: only congressmen and USTR negotiators can access the documents, if they comply with similar conditions.
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Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership
 
3 Banking regulations

TTIP cuts both ways. The UK, under the influence of the all-powerful City of London, is thought to be seeking a loosening of US banking regulations. America’s financial rules are tougher than ours. They were put into place after the financial crisis to directly curb the powers of bankers and avoid a similar crisis happening again. TTIP, it is feared, will remove those restrictions, effectively handing all those powers back to the bankers.
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I've worked for both US and UK investment banks and the regulation from the US is far stricter than the UK. But ironically it's the UK banks that take it seriously and I found that the US bank did the minimum required to meet them. It didn't feel a level playing field.

scorza said:
The EU, who are negotiating this for us, won't tell us the detail of what is in the proposed deals. UK officials get asked to leave the room whenever TTIP negotiations with the USA start.
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Yes this was mentioned by a commentator on LBC radio a few times when they were discussing the pro's and con's of us leaving/staring in the EU.
EDIT: I think it may have been Nigel Farage saying it?
 
Hades said:
Yes this was mentioned by a commentator on LBC radio a few times when they were discussing the pro's and con's of us leaving/staring in the EU.
EDIT: I think it may have been Nigel Farage saying it?
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Which still doesn't make it believable, anything but given Farage's agenda.

The only info on it I can find is of Austria and Cyprus not being given access to some documents.
 
platypus said:
Which still doesn't make it believable, anything but given Farage's agenda.

The only info on it I can find is of Austria and Cyprus not being given access to some documents.
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While I agree that just because someone says soemthing it doesn't make it fact. But I would have thought by now that if a very prominent and divisive politician had said something so controversial on a national radio station, which was blatently and provably false, then by now he'd have been shot down for it. Which he hasn't been.
 
Pretty shocking stuff. I didn't know anything about this until I read the posted article.

Thanks for posting.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
When discussing TTIP everyone seems to worry about the NHS but, for me, the biggest potential problem on the list in OP's Independent link is point number six. How can any government justify signing up to a system where the country is punishable for taking policy decisions that adversely affect profits for signatory companies ?

The example given is that Germany had a similar agreement with a Swedish power company and when the German government decided to close all nuclear plants (after Fukushima) in the interests its people they found themselves subject to legal action because it affects the Swedish company's profit.

The logical extreme of this is governments having to consider the effects of their policies on private company's profits and balance that against the needs of the people.
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It would seem something like that is very open to corruption, it amounts to giving public money to shareholders/directors of private companies
 
platypus said:
Which still doesn't make it believable, anything but given Farage's agenda.

The only info on it I can find is of Austria and Cyprus not being given access to some documents.
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Why would you believe that UK officials would stay in the room when the EU negotiates with trade? If I were negotiating for the EU the last thing I'd want is UK officials pointing out that a particular clause will be to the UK's detriment.
 
deuse said:
The French PM has already vetoed it for their health system. Cameron won't. Another reason to get out of the EU.
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Your voting to leave e EU, because Cameron won't do something another EU member had done?

You may not be aware, but France is in the EU. If Cameron is unwilling to veto it, when it's proven that it can be, it's not the EU that's the problem, it's Cameron. In or out of the EU, he will push for this.
 
Woden said:
Your voting to leave e EU, because Cameron won't do something another EU member had done?

You may not be aware, but France is in the EU. If Cameron is unwilling to veto it, when it's proven that it can be, it's not the EU that's the problem, it's Cameron. In or out of the EU, he will push for this.
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No EU. No TTIP. Simple really. And when we vote out Cameron will be out on his ass, and he knows it.
 
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