Turntable and Speaker Advice Needed

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Dear all

I currently have a Panasonic X-HM21 CD player/speaker microsystem hooked up to its original speakers. Not a high end stereo, but makes a good sound. I'd really like to get a decent budget(ish) turntable (budget around £300 max) and at the same get some better speakers to both upgrade the microsystem and hook up to the turntable.

My thought was to hook the new speakers up to the CD player unit as usual and then connect the turntable to the CD unit using RCA cables.

My questions are:

-would this set-up work?
-can anyone recommend a good turntable for £300ish which also has bluetooth in case I decide to use that at any time
-what kind of new speakers would I need? I am a bit confused as to the difference between powered and passive speakers. Could I use powered speakers in the way I have described above?
-can anyone recommend a good pair of speakers?

Many thanks in advance for any advice :)

Helen
 
hi

are you wanting to hook the TT up to your existing Panasonic ? if so you will need a TT with a built in phono stage .

Bluetooth is a poor way to listen to music , have a look at a chrome cast audio
 
Hello

Yes, the idea is to hook the TT up to the existing panasonic. Is a phono stage the same as a preamp?

I don't necessary want to use bluetooth, as I explained, I want to use cables to hook up to the Panasonic.

Thanks for your reply.
 
I think it might be a Pioneer rather than a Panasonic, so a Pioneer X-HM21.

Yes, the Line Input can be used so long as either the TT has a built-in phono pre-amp, or you purchase a standalone phono pre-amp. The built-in option is usually more cost-effective and practical. Depending on the make of TT you buy, the built-in phono pre-amp might also be far better quality for the same amount as a TT and separate pre-amp.

The speakers can be changed. A few things to bear in mind: the CD unit doesn't have a huge amount of power, and small speakers tend to be less efficient than bigger stand-mount or floor-standing speakers, so look for 8 Ohm rather than 6 Ohm, and try to stay above 85dB/W sensitivity. Having said all that, although the Pioneer speakers are listed as 8 Ohm too, there's no figure given for sensitivity, so it's likely to be quite poor. This means aftermarket speakers will probably have greater sensitivity to make a better use of what power is available from the main unit.

For speakers, I would have a look at the Wharfdale Diamond 220 (8 Ohm, 86dB/W). The current price is £129 on clearance, but they were close to £200 and they performed much better than a £200 speaker, so £129 is a bit of a bargain. Another positive is they're not overly deep cabinets, so if you're looking for something that is still going to sit on the same depth of shelf then these are about the same. They are wider and taller though. That's how they'll do more bass.

Turntables: Have a look at the Pro-Ject ranges. If ever you plan to change the CD unit for a better amp then the Pro-Jects won't be outclassed. That's good for long term value.
 
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Hi there, Many thanks for your helpful reply.

Apologies yes, is a Pioneer and I will check out your suggestions :) Do you have any recommendations for a better CD amp that would complement the set up?

Thanks again

Helen
 
'a better CD amp' ..... honestly, there's stuff that is probably better (Denon DM41DAB, Denon CEOL N10 or N11), but nothing that would make me want to raid my music collection every time I returned home. The problem is all of it is lifestyle gear, so there are a lot of compromises to get the features in to a small box at the right price. I get the feeling then that the reviews wouldn't ever pitch this sort of stuff up against full sized Hi-Fi separates.

The biggest compromise is the amplification. Much like your Pioneer, the power amps that drive the speakers are based on a design called a switch mode power supply. This is much smaller and more energy efficient than a traditional 'transformer + large capacitor' Class AB power amp design.

They're frequently referred to as Class D or Digital amplifiers, and the inference is that 'digital' is a good thing. They can be. There are some eye-wateringly expensive power amplifiers by high-end Hi-Fi brands where the designers had carte blanche to make the best products. But it takes a fair chunk of cash to make a true Hi-Fi performance Class D amplifier, and there just isn't enough money in a typical mini Hi-Fi system to throw that much cash at just the amp stage when so many other things such a selling price or features are higher priorities. What we have in a typical mini Hi-Fi is a cost driven design.

There were- and still are- compact Hi-Fi amplifiers based on Class AB power amp designs. The brands Cyrus and Rega both make such products, but not the sort of amp/CD integrated product that would compete in features terms with mini Hi-Fis. To get something Class AB which fills that niche requires looking back to the 2000s. Both ARCAM and Linn had some cracking products.

For something that has to be the same width as your Pioneer, then the ARCAM Solo Mini is probably impossible to beat. New, they were £800. Used, they can be picked up for under £200.

Where space isn't at such a premium, but you still can't fit in full width Hi-Fi gear at 440mm wide, then the Linn Classik Music or Classik-T (yes, spelled with a K) are excellent products and just 320mm wide. It takes the performance up even further than the ARCAM and they're every bit as good as full sized separates. These were around £1000 new, so s/h prices are around £300-£350.

Both of these units have more real-world power at far lower distortion levels than any conventional mini Hi-Fis, but that's not the main attraction. It's the sound quality. The longer you live with the ARCAM or the Linn, the more you'll hear from your music. It's very seductive. You'll get to hear different layers in the mix, space, timing, detail without excessive brightness. Stuff will pop out of the mixes that you never heard before with your current CD/amp. A good system will make you want to grab disc after disc and just keep playing music all day and night just to keep getting that hit of discovery.

The only catch is that as the systems get better then the gulf in performance between CD or vinyl and lesser sources such as Bluetooth will get wider and wider. A Bluetooth adaptor can be added as a source. Where your phone supports it, you can improve BT performance by going for one of the aptX HD adaptors. They use a more-efficient CODEC so that a higher resolution signal can be passed.

Both of these amps will work a treat with the Diamond 220 speakers, but could easily take on a pair of higher-end bookshelf or floor-standing speakers at £1000 without batting an eyelid. Similarly, a Pro-Ject T1 Phono SB @ £299 upfront will sound great with either CD/amp, but you could upgrade the TT closer to a grand and still not phase either of them.

In reality you wouldn't change the TT so soon but you would go for a better cartridge after about a year or so. The standard Ortofon OM5e is decent enough as a starter cartridge and you'll have a lot of fun with it. Changing to an Ortofon 2M Red will bring some big improvements though. Smoother top end, better midrange, tighter and deeper bass. Well worth the £100 it costs to change.

The next change up would be to swap the Red 2M stylus for the Blue 2M stylus @ £125. TBH though, you'd be better off buying speaker stands or even upgrading the speakers first.
 
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Hi Helen,
You're very welcome.

That Classic is about the right sort of money. Check past listings/sales to gauge if it's fair for the condition. You might also want to check out the classified sales and history at AVForums.com and Pinkfish forum.

Dodge anything with known issues. There are enough Classics and Solo Minis for sale that you can be choosy.

ETA - IIRC, the first version was just a CD/Amp. That's the Classik Music. The second version added a tuner; the Classik T. The final version added connectivity for Linn's multiroom music system. I can't recall the designation of that off the top of my head, something like Classik-M maybe?(ETA 2 - It's Classik-K for Linn's Konnect multiroom system)

The best way to go is to look at the back panel connections. The multiroom one has some Ethernet network sockets. The tuner version has what looks like the screw-on connector as use by satellite receivers (the F connector). Where there's none of that then it's the earliest version.

Read through the descriptions and look at the pictures. Cross reference with online reviews and the user manuals from the Linn site. That's a good resource.
 
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I'm not aware of any major sonic differences between the models. I think it would be splitting hairs anyway.

My gut instinct would be to go for something later simply because it's newer unless you can find overwhelming evidence to suggest that some earlier model is best. The beauty of the Internet is that there's lots of info and opinions around on this gear.
 
Update: I have the speakers and a Linn Classik all set up and it is sounding great. Turntable next. I might add a second hand tape deck too, so any recommendations for those would also be fab. Thanks for your help :)
 
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In reality you wouldn't change the TT so soon but you would go for a better cartridge after about a year or so. The standard Ortofon OM5e is decent enough as a starter cartridge and you'll have a lot of fun with it. Changing to an Ortofon 2M Red will bring some big improvements though. Smoother top end, better midrange, tighter and deeper bass. Well worth the £100 it costs to change.

The next change up would be to swap the Red 2M stylus for the Blue 2M stylus @ £125. TBH though, you'd be better off buying speaker stands or even upgrading the speakers first.

I went from red to blue on my PL12D and found the blue on the bright side :)
 
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