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Understanding actual energy usage of CPUs

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I would be really grateful for some advice as I am struggling to understand the actual energy use of CPUs accross the range of a given socket and whether there is any difference between the various CPUs available.

My research has suggested that TDP is not a good indicator of energy use, so this cannot be used to compare the various models.

Further, "T" and "S" versions of CPUs are apparently not worth it as they idle at the same power usage as the regular version but then take longer to do the same task, because they have a lower top speed (and thus use around the same power in the end).

Let's take the Haswell LGA1150 socket as an example and say that I wanted a PC that would do nothing but idle - no activity at all.

Would there be any actual difference in energy usage between my using the lowest CPU I can find (G1820) and the highest (5960X)?
 
Would there be any actual difference in energy usage between my using the lowest CPU I can find (G1820) and the highest (5960X)?

Yes. The 5960X will use more power. It's got 4 times the cores, 10 times the cache and bigger memory controller to run. It can put some of that to sleep or power it down, but not all of it. That said the 5960X could have better quality silicon on it, so likely needs less voltage for a given speed, but that makes little difference at idle.

Also any chipset compatible with the 5960X won't run a G1820. The chipset will use more power too.
 
Cr*p - sorry, should have used the 4790K as the top end CPU as that does use the same socket as the G1820.

Thanks for that - seems that this is more complicated than I thought.

So extra cores will mean a greater idle power usage? I.e. Haswell i3 CPUs are going to have a lower idle power than Haswell i5s?

So is it fair to say that CPUs with the same TDP tend to have the same sort of idle power usage?
 
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So is it fair to say that CPUs with the same TDP tend to have the same sort of idle power usage?

Roughly, yeah.

4790K still has four times the cache, twice the number of cores, plus hyper-threading support, extra instructions than the Celeron. That all consumes additional power. That said the Celeron is based off the same die with functions and cores disabled/fused off.

So why the question?
 
I have a spare LGA1150 motherboard with a G1850 in it - I want to repurpose this as a new desktop for a bit until I can build something more modern, from scratch, in the future.

I am going to be using the desktop for working from home, plus some occassional video editing and music recording - nothing hugely taxing.

My current destkop is based upon an i3-2105, which does lack a bit of oomph at times - e.g. if I am working but also need to run Netflix in the background.

So I was really looking to swap out the G1850 CPU for something with more grunt than an i3-2105.

That being said, the work computer is going to be idling for most of the time whilst I am just doing work on it so I really need to be aware of basic energy use (especially with electricy prices at the moment).

Ultimately, I was looking at the best compromise between energy use and performance but I am struggling a bit trying to work that out.
 
Probably not a lot in it, I'd reckon the i3 is a bit quicker than the Celeron to be honest. Swapping stuff around isn't going to save any detectable amount of power really. I've got a media PC under the TV - an old office Dell with a 2500K in it. Using a monitoring plug the complete system is pulling 25-30W at idle (With a 1030 GPU in it), CPU cores idling along pulling 7W of that.

Choice between a 5960X and that would be more clear cut!
 
The Xeon E3 “L” parts would be the chips to go for if the board supports it. Around Haswell was when greed got the better of Intel and they started to remove the Xeon options though.

The Xeons got the higher quality silicon than the desktops.
 
Thanks - I should have also said that one of the other reasons for doing the swap was because the Haswell MOBO has 4 RAM slots, whereas my current one has only 2. Going to the newer board would also let me use 12GB RAM (which I have lying around).

The Xeon option is interesting - especially if I can pair it with a low-spec graphics card. How are the Xeons on power consumption, compared to the desktop versions?
 
Thanks - I should have also said that one of the other reasons for doing the swap was because the Haswell MOBO has 4 RAM slots, whereas my current one has only 2. Going to the newer board would also let me use 12GB RAM (which I have lying around).

The Xeon option is interesting - especially if I can pair it with a low-spec graphics card. How are the Xeons on power consumption, compared to the desktop versions?

The Xeon E3 L parts are really good. Some of the best CPU’s Intel have produced.
 
I have a spare LGA1150 motherboard with a G1850 in it - I want to repurpose this as a new desktop for a bit until I can build something more modern, from scratch, in the future.

I am going to be using the desktop for working from home, plus some occassional video editing and music recording - nothing hugely taxing.

My current destkop is based upon an i3-2105, which does lack a bit of oomph at times - e.g. if I am working but also need to run Netflix in the background.

So I was really looking to swap out the G1850 CPU for something with more grunt than an i3-2105.

That being said, the work computer is going to be idling for most of the time whilst I am just doing work on it so I really need to be aware of basic energy use (especially with electricy prices at the moment).

Ultimately, I was looking at the best compromise between energy use and performance but I am struggling a bit trying to work that out.

Sorry to be devil's advocate, if it's for Netflix just buy a fire stick
 
Thanks for this - I was looking for server CPUs, last night on Ebay, but struggling to find any affordable Xeon E3 L CPUs as recommended above.

Apologies for the double thread - I wanted to try and keep my choosing a CPU and general thoughts on energy use separate but ended up combining them (my bad).
 
to be fair we are talking lightbulb levels of power for most lower and mid end cpus my i5-10400f sits around 5-25 watts on desktop

my monitor uses more power 38.2w



before I swapped out the kitchen and dining room lights for led they used to use 380w before I even turned on any of the strips or spot lights ( the room my computer is in )

been using the i5 for video editing and 3d modeling recently outside of gaming and it works well

you can get similar cpu/mobo/ 16gb memory for just over £200
 
to be fair we are talking lightbulb levels of power for most lower and mid end cpus my i5-10400f sits around 5-25 watts on desktop

my monitor uses more power 38.2w



before I swapped out the kitchen and dining room lights for led they used to use 380w before I even turned on any of the strips or spot lights ( the room my computer is in )

been using the i5 for video editing and 3d modeling recently outside of gaming and it works well

you can get similar cpu/mobo/ 16gb memory for just over £200


Just out of curiosity your i5-10400f watts in on desktop, how much roughly is it for your combined pc with say surfing several tabbed websites and playing back say a youtube 4k video?

That is very impressive for a 6 core to draw that much, my 3700x 8 core, 16gig, Geforce 1650, 1 SSD consumes around 85-100 watts while on desktop
surfing say 8 browser websites and an 4K youtube video. Maybe 65-75 watts idle in desktop doing nothing.

I think we may see a lot more threads like this regarding power consumption with the upcoming 50% prices increase cap due in April, appears many people are trying to avoid thinking about it!

I am looking into the next gen AMD and Intel mini pcs due this summer/fall to save electricity cost, hopefully an 8 core mini pc that consumes 25-30 watts
for basic surfing, Ms office, YT etc

I would recommend the OP get an energy monitor from flebay for a 12-14 quid, tells you how much electricity you consume for any electrical plug device you have around your home, ie fridge, washing machine, tv, pc etc
 
I have a spare LGA1150 motherboard with a G1850 in it - I want to repurpose this as a new desktop for a bit until I can build something more modern, from scratch, in the future.

I am going to be using the desktop for working from home, plus some occassional video editing and music recording - nothing hugely taxing.

My current destkop is based upon an i3-2105, which does lack a bit of oomph at times - e.g. if I am working but also need to run Netflix in the background.

So I was really looking to swap out the G1850 CPU for something with more grunt than an i3-2105.

That being said, the work computer is going to be idling for most of the time whilst I am just doing work on it so I really need to be aware of basic energy use (especially with electricy prices at the moment).

Ultimately, I was looking at the best compromise between energy use and performance but I am struggling a bit trying to work that out.

If you're referring to Intel systems, then since Sandy Bridge the biggest influence on idle power (assuming no HDDs) is usually the graphics card, the second is the motherboard, CPU comes third. In many systems, a high-end graphics card at idle uses more than the motherboard, memory and CPU combined.

I'm not sure why, maybe because they're often just cut-down larger CPUs (with all the gubbings still present), but the difference between low-end and high-end Intel CPUs tends to be very small. I can't speak for 11th and 12th gen, but certainly for anything since Haswell, we're talking a few watts at most.

The motherboard can make a huge difference to idle power and with high-end CPUs it can have a big influence on load power consumption. Generally speaking for idle power: ITX motherboards are the best format, ASRock are the best mainstream brand and the worst chipset is Z boards because they have so many additional features (many of which require more components). The difference between H and B chipst is usually minimal unless it's a high-end board.

If you're using an Intel system since Sandy Bridge, without an IGP and minimal hardware, then 20-30 watt (whole system) is normal for a mainstream motherboard, anything ITX or ASRock will be more like 15-20 watt. That's regardless of the CPU used, whether it's a Celeron or an i7.

When you get down to 30 watts, bronze and gold-rated ATX PSUs (well, all of them, to be honest) have very poor efficiency at this level of load, so for the ultimate idle (anything sub 15 watt) you usually need to use pico psus and power bricks.

For a long time, 8th and 9th gen CPUs and low-end ASRock (or better: Fujitsu motherboards) offered the best combination of idle power and performance in average desktop use, but Ryzen APUs are pretty competitive with the right motherboard.

Graphics cards: from what I've seen AMD's RDNA has great idle power, especially the lower-end and the Sapphire models and nvidia's Pascal is very good too.

Ryzen is consistently not great for idle power, I'm not sure why, if it's the CPU or the motherboard, but it appears to use significantly more (1st-3rd gen) if the memory is clocked beyond 2666 and needs more effort to maintain (for example: some applications like Steam, seem to prevent the system from idling properly). I don't know if these issues have been resolved since I last looked into it, or if the latest CPUs are any better. APUs are different to the other desktop CPUs, I guess since they're meant for laptops and are very competitive with Intel at idle, even with middling motherboards.

The most efficient CPUs under load is a different story, when multi-threaded it's usually AMD, but lightly-threaded and gaming Intel is often better (except for 11th gen, which is usually crap). Limiting a CPU to low clocks (e.g. a T or S model, or disable turbo) keeps it within the architectures highest efficiency bands which is relevant for continuous use like gaming, but like you said, it's often less efficient than high clocks when the task is finite.

If you're only upgrading your current CPU for now, then my suggestion would be an E3-1245 V3 or E3-1246 V3 for approx £45. They'll be efficient at idle and clock high when needed, with hyperthreading for productivity stuffs if supported.

My most efficient 9th gen system uses under 15 watts idle (using a standard ATX psu and no graphics card), but compared to my gaming system (30 watts idle) we're only talking about a tenner for the 15 watts (for 8 hours use per day @ 25p kwh).
 
Just out of curiosity your i5-10400f watts in on desktop, how much roughly is it for your combined pc with say surfing several tabbed websites and playing back say a youtube 4k video?

That is very impressive for a 6 core to draw that much, my 3700x 8 core, 16gig, Geforce 1650, 1 SSD consumes around 85-100 watts while on desktop
surfing say 8 browser websites and an 4K youtube video. Maybe 65-75 watts idle in desktop doing nothing.

I think we may see a lot more threads like this regarding power consumption with the upcoming 50% prices increase cap due in April, appears many people are trying to avoid thinking about it!

I am looking into the next gen AMD and Intel mini pcs due this summer/fall to save electricity cost, hopefully an 8 core mini pc that consumes 25-30 watts
for basic surfing, Ms office, YT etc

I would recommend the OP get an energy monitor from flebay for a 12-14 quid, tells you how much electricity you consume for any electrical plug device you have around your home, ie fridge, washing machine, tv, pc etc

Can check tonight this is just the cpu draw will fire up a load of windows and run a youtube


gpu power consumption I very rarely look at but will check as well
 
My most efficient 9th gen system uses under 15 watts idle (using a standard ATX psu and no graphics card), but compared to my gaming system (30 watts idle) we're only talking about a tenner for the 15 watts (for 8 hours use per day @ 25p kwh).

is that per month or over the year
 
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