Undertaking...

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Undertaking (passing on the inside).

What are your thoughts on it?

As I understand it, it is illegal to undertake in the UK and if spotted by a copper, can be pulled for careless driving?

I rarely ever undertake. On dual carriageways even if I am on the inside lane and approaching a car fast that is sitting in the outside lane, I will slow down, indicate into the outside lane and remain a safe gap behind them, good drivers usually move over to the inside lane well in advance of seeing me coming as to not hinder my progress but usually the people that don't do this, get the message I want to pass and after me sitting behind them for a few seconds pull over to the inside. Then you get the clueless drivers who will remain in the outside lane for a long time so I will give a few flashes and get a bit closer, that usually does the trick. Then you get the damnright awful drivers who don't know why you're flashing them and assume you will undertake which is illegal, are too lazy to turn their steering wheel 1 degree or for some reason get angry with you for flashing them and so refuse on principal to move over or even slow down <-- these drivers are the most uneducated and dangerous. If someone refuses to move over after about a minute, then I have no choice but to indicate down and pass but I don't like doing it, mainly for my own safety as because in this country undertaking is illegal, not an accepted maneuvour and quite rare; people don't expect it so there is a potential for the many poor drivers out there who don't check their mirrors to just assume nothings there and run you off the road, or the awful drivers who get angry with you for wanting to pass and refuse to move over, I fear will do something stupid and purposely cut me up.

So to summarise, I don't personally undertake until I have explored every opportunity and have to in order to pass. This is out of a fear for my own personal safety and the fact that even if I was cut up, being an illegal maneuvour I would assume I would be at fault even if they cut me up and hit me in insurance terms.

Now I do see some people who rather than waiting to flash their lights at someone will just undertake straight away, I personally don't have a problem with people that undertake, I see it as a legitimate maneuvour that shouldn't be illegal in this country and why should you have to hold yourself up when there is another lane free.

I'd be interested to know OcUKs views on undertaking and how you ever use it in your daily driving
 
I'm sticking this a bit in the sense of middle bloody lane drivers!

I hate it when I'm driving down the motorway on the inside lane doing a sensible speed when there's a middle lane driver stuck there, not even close to overtaking another vehicle, then i make a quite clear point of pulling out over both lanes, and straight back in and then stick on my left indicator for a while to see if they will pull over.

That really bugs me, I guess you've just got to let it go, but it's annoying when it always happens. I know exactly what you mean; I don't undertake, and wouldn't, unless it really came down to it.
 
I try not to do it, but on a few occasions, I will hold my hand up to doing it, especially if Im in no mood for swerving all over the road just so some idiot can sit in the middle. Oddly though, I never flash people or tailgate them to make my point known.

I don't make a habit of it though.
 
I very rarely do it as I always worry they will decide to pull back in and crash into me, I normally just flash my lights at people if they wont move over although if they ignore me or mess around I will undertake.
 
I believe the problem is "maneuvering to undertake". If you maintain a constant speed in the same lane without pulling in and out I think it's a bit of a gray area, although I guess it' still pretty dangerous as people don't expect it.
 
Far from being illegal, its actually permitted in the Highway Code, providing it is done sensibly.

Unless the traffic in lane 1 is busy enough up ahead that I would have to immediately change to lane 2, I will cruise on by a middle lane driver in the lane I am in :)

Note that its not explicit permission, its down to "congestion" but I have heard from more than one traffic cop that providing its done sensibly it is fine.
 
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most of the way around the m25 i will undertake, the outer 2 lanes seem to be packed leaving the other 2 free flowing.

undertake in other places as well where needed.
 
I think if you've got a quick enough car you can get away with it; tis just plain dangerous in a 'normal' car.

Have only had to do it on a few occasions, usually after main beaming the idiot in the right hand lane for 2 minutes who is completely oblivious to anything that isn't directly in front of him.
 
I only do it when I'm "staying in lane", or there's a junction and I'm turning off. If the road is clearish I'll overtake in the outside lane. I try not to let middle lane motorists get to me too much, but I don't deliberately undertake when they do get to me.
 
Every day near enough. The Keynsham bypass near Bristol is a couple miles long stretch of dual carriageway and for some reason numpties feel its necessary to sit in the right hand lane because they are turning right in 2 miles?!? They sit there at 50 oblivious to any other cars on the road at all. Until I buzz them on the inside.
 
s0ck said:
I think if you've got a quick enough car you can get away with it; tis just plain dangerous in a 'normal' car.

you only need to be able to get past the car at a safe speed above what the other car is doing. that does not mean you cannot be in a normal car, it just means that you need to think before you start your move, just the same as you would with an overtake tbh.
 
Bobbler said:
Every day near enough. The Keynsham bypass near Bristol is a couple miles long stretch of dual carriageway and for some reason numpties feel its necessary to sit in the right hand lane because they are turning right in 2 miles?!? They sit there at 50 oblivious to any other cars on the road at all. Until I buzz them on the inside.

its been like that for years, same with the new bypass off of hicks gate roundabout.
 
I'll over or under 'take depending on convenience. If I am going very fast I will always overtake as I'm far less likely to be spotted if I try and undertake.
 
Morba said:
you only need to be able to get past the car at a safe speed above what the other car is doing. that does not mean you cannot be in a normal car, it just means that you need to think before you start your move, just the same as you would with an overtake tbh.

Every second you linger on that inside lane though you risk getting cut up/causing an accident/etc.
 
s0ck said:
Every second you linger on that inside lane though you risk getting cut up/causing an accident/etc.

Why? don’t tell me you and every other motorist blindly pulls into the left hand lane.
 
Must be one of those nights, it took me halfway through the OP to realise he wasn't talking about undertaking as a profession and then I thought he meant passing a cortege!
 
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