Underwhelemd by the 'next' generation of consoles and games?

[Boomstick777]

So soon the PS4 / Xbone and Wii U will be the current cream of the crop hardware, from the top console companys. When you see that the Xbone can only output 720P on some games, Wii U is getting substandard ports as it just isn't worth developers time as it's sold so little, and the PS4 although more powerful than the Xbone only offers what an older low/mid range GPU can achieve. I can't help feel a little underwhelmed by this 'next' generation.

Previous console launches have always pushed the boundaries of what was possible, being more powerful at launch than PC's and games that would stun.

This generation their is nothing that truly screams next gen to me. Yes Killzone looks nice, Mario World looks awesome, but none have that next gen feeling or polish.. Not in graphics or features, upcoming games are rehashes of existing formulas, there is nothing really new from anyone..

Maybe this is the time for the PC to shine? Maybe consoles can't compete in performance anymore, and developers can't risk something different in games, are the days of consoles outshining PC's at launch time behind us?

I still think the PS4 offers a lot of bang for buck for it's price, I am very underwhelmed by the Xbone, Wii U was more of the same from Nintendo, cheap hardware with a focus on games, trouble is this time they gave the cheap hardware and forgot the games as well.. Overall nothing has stood out from what we already have on PS3 / X360 and Wii..

What do you guys think?

 

[Boomstick777]

I'm honestly not at all impressed. What a crappy way to start a 'next generation' on Microsoft's behalf when the XBone can't even do 1080p on Call of Duty. It's like a 13 year old game and they can't even get in running at 1920 x 1080, what an utter embarrassment. I might look into getting a PS4 in the future but if games sell well on these new console then I think they'll get ported to the PC.

Yeah totally agree, like I said, I still think the PS4 will eventually get some exclusive content that will be worth getting, because it can still deliver great experiences, but at launch their is nothing that looks new or next gen, just rehases, in the case of the Xbone rehashes not even at 1080P, this is very poor for launch imho.

The Pc has always been at the forefront of innovation. Its just that the kids cannot afford a PC.

PC gaming rules supreme, it has no rival, it is unequalled.

That being said, I own all the consoles but rarely play them aside from the Uncharted series, TLOU and some Wii U games like Mario, and zelda, which I cannot get on PC.

The PC has everything, pad, K&M, pedals, joystick and flight pedals, trackpad, just pick your weapon of choice.

All genres of games are on PC and in high fidelity.

Although the PC eventually surpasses consoles, at launch consoles are usually ahead of the PC. This is the first generation that at launch the consoles are already inferior in performance. It's very lackluster..

Colour me surprised consoles aren't as powerful as a top end PC.

No contribution to thread whatsoever, the whole point is consoles at launch usually are ahead of the PC, the PC then plays catchup and eventually surpasses the consoles, this time is very very different. The 'next gen' consoles are out dated in terms of performance before they have even launched.. Maybe your just not old enough to remember previous console launches..

 

[Boomstick777]

When the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 launched, they were quite ahead of the PC hardware, that was the standard at that time.

http://gearnuke.com/a-look-pc-specifications-xbox-ps3-launch-year/

 

[Boomstick777]

I think games honestly look good enough as is, even a 'big' jump wouldn't be that much of a visible difference to most people I would think.

Yeah I agree to some extent that games already look good enough, I just think that Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft should have offered something better than just slightly better visuals and rehashes of already getting old franchises..

Like, show me a reason to spend £350 / £420 on a new console...

 

[Boomstick777]

ive never understood it when people compare a gaming pc to a console and expect it to be better or equal the whole point of consoles are ease of use,price,have every player is on a level playing field with the same graphics settings and same controller.i had a gaming pc which i sold last year they get outdated very quick and are very expensive for a top spec machine.i laugh when i hear pc gamers mock console players on games like battlefield saying things like it looks way better look at my resolution look at the tiny little details blah blah then go online and play on low settings so they can get an advantage and spot players easier without all the effects getting in the way:roll eyes: every platform has its plus points but for value and ease of use and exclusives and huge player base consoles are the winner imo

Lol, I'm 32, I remember them just fine thanks.

However technology advanced so quick and the generation lasted so long the next gen consoles stood no chance. Anything they could have done to out do PC's would have negated the need for a console (price wise).

Very few people would spend £600+ on a console to give PC's a run for their money like previous ggenerations.

Anyway I feel that short of photo realistic games, games generally look as good as they can do.

The Xbox 360 was ahead of PC at the time and didn't cost £600+.

Read this guys

When the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 launched, they were quite ahead of the PC hardware, that was the standard at that time.

http://gearnuke.com/a-look-pc-specifications-xbox-ps3-launch-year/

Every previous console launch, consoles out spec the then current PC. This gen is an anomaly in that it's already outdated...

I almost feel like Sony / Microsoft should be working harder for people's money, just rehashes and low hardware spec doesn't feel next gen..

 

[Boomstick777]

That's because PCs were very different in 2004/2005.

As I said things are very different now to back then. You could argue the architecture of next gen consoles is more advanced than PC's.

So your saying that you agree then, that every previous console launch was better than the 'at the time' current PC's.

This generation is a weird one, you saying earlier sarcastically that your not surprised consoles aren't as powerful as PC's doesn't work, because it really is a surprise, this is the first time it's been like this, the upcoming consoles are more of a 'refresh' than a 'next gen'. Considering the PS3 / Xbox 360 are 8 years old, it isn't particularity impressive, 720p on the Xbone, yeah really disappointing.

A lot of PC gamers felt held back from about 2008 - 2010 by consoles, well this time we're going to be held back from the start. The lowest quality bar has been raised by the new consoles, but it hasn't been raised very far at all..

Hopefully some PC developers will still be able to take a risk and develop a truly next gen IP for PC. Otherwise we're facing years of rehases / very little graphics improvement, expect higher resolution.. Will developers even have the money to take a risk on a new IP?

 

[Boomstick777]

the x1900 was around at the time of the 360 launch, give or take a few months. By the numbers the x1900 was a fair bit quicker in some areas. Xenos was advanced though - ATi's (the? sketchy memory ) first unified shader GPU.


It's not all that different this time around. Fiar enough, the performance gap is a LOT bigger this time, but in some ways the ONE and ps4 ARE more advanced than current pc hardware.



You've posted that twice already but it doesnt give any specifics?

Just google the PS3 / Xbox 360 launch VS PC, they were miles ahead, triple core CPU's when most PC's users were on single cores, high end GPU's. Blu Ray in the PS3, they were massively improved over PC, and much much cheaper. Especially the Xbox 360.

in some ways the ONE and ps4 ARE more advanced than current pc hardware.

Just no, in no ways are the new consoles more advanced, they are literally budget PC's. Any Intel CPU, will smoke the AMD console CPU, you can go and buy a HD 7850 2GB for not much more than £100 and have way more graphics horsepower than the Xbone. That 'super charged PC architecture' is just marketing talk.

Anyway it's not all doom and gloom, their will still be some good games, but nothing that will be revolutionary. Hopefully this gen won't drag on like the PS3 / X360 have. 8 years at this spec would be lame..

 

[Boomstick777]

I dont need to, i've already explained the x1900 was faster. I dont think 'what most pc users were on' is a valid discussion. Look at the steam hardware survey right now. According to that, more people are using dual core / intel hd4000 combinations than any other combination of hardware. Not a useful metric. If you are going to compare the hardware, then compare it to whatever was the best at the time.



Of course they are. Unified memory? the bandwidth available to the gpu? The lack of constraints that direct X puts on pc hardware (which granted Ati are now working to resolve)

what do you think more advanced actually means?

The current PC's weren't faster, it's just a fact. You can't just say what you think and it be true. Use Google the facts are their lol.

The Xbox 360 was not only faster with better CPU / GPU than what the PC had at the time, but it was also way more affordable.

Now you're talking about PC architecture as if some an Xbone with an AMD budget CPU, DDR3 and a low end GPU is somehow more advanced than a current PC. Bit of a joke tbh mate, current stuff i.e Haswell is way more advanced. The current PC's are far ahead of the Xbone.. If it was more advanced than PC, do you not think it could run COD higher than 720P come on now...

 

[Boomstick777]

How I understood it at the time is that the tech was level to a good PC, not the high end of the time, but because it was a unified spec it was easier to utilise the power of the console therefore getting a lot more out of it than what a PC could with similar parts.

Yeah, no it was better. the GPU the other guy is referring to was the extreme high end, the 360 was faster, and more affordable.

The reign was short lived though as Nvidia launched the 8800 GTX and that pushed the PC ahead again.

This time the PC is already ahead and they still haven't launched. I just hope it's only a cycle of 5 years, 8 years of Xbone ports would be very bad..

Hopefully some PC developers will step up and develop PC ip's. Thing is it's a very different market now as well, I'm not sure if developers have the money to take the risk.. Oh well console ports at 4K will be something to look forward to ..

 

[Boomstick777]

*Snip* consoles are not usually ahead of PCs in terms of hardware

Yes at launch consoles in the past were ahead of PC.

PC would play catchup and surpass, this time PC is already ahead. Stop flaming and use google.

My opinion is that platform owners dont have the stomach this time around to subsidise the console price so that the spec within was substantial enough to be comparable to top-end PC technology.

Yeah I agree with this.

 

[Boomstick777]

Here's a link for Spoffle and co..

"Nvidia: Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC Graphics"

Ask yourself this, why would Nvidia be saying Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC if they hadn't done so in the past?

Tony Tamasi : Nvidia senior vice president.

He revealed that, unlike generations in the past that were on par if not better than many performance PCs at launch, console makers no longer have the resources to jump ahead of the PC gaming hardware market.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-consoles-gpu-graphics-power,24390.html

So yeah, Nvidia acknowledge it, but somehow Spoffle knows different

This gen is def more of a refresh, let's just hope it's shortlived. Phones will be more powerful in a few years

 

[Boomstick777]

*SNIP*

Spoffle tbh at this point I have no idea what you're going on about, you said consoles were never ahead, I said different and proved it with a link from none other than Nvidia, fairly legitimate source. This thread was about the 'next gen' being somewhat of a disappointment compared to previous generations. Looks like you're trying to turn into flaming, and will just get annoyed with whatever I reply..

I will just re-iterate this,

"Nvidia: Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC Graphics"

Ask yourself this, why would Nvidia be saying Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC if they hadn't done so in the past?

Tony Tamasi : Nvidia senior vice president.

He revealed that, unlike generations in the past that were on par if not better than many performance PCs at launch, console makers no longer have the resources to jump ahead of the PC gaming hardware market.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-consoles-gpu-graphics-power,24390.html

So yeah, Nvidia acknowledge it, but somehow Spoffle knows different

This gen is def more of a refresh, let's just hope it's shortlived. Phones will be more powerful in a few years

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Think we need something a bit more lighthearted..

 

[Boomstick777]

These sort of viewpoints are based solely on ignorance, and the people posting that sort of stuff should know better, like the OP who has just been talking smack for most of this thread.

Ah Spoffle, so someone with a different opinion to your own is talking smack..

Yeah ok buddy.

I'm underwhelmed by the specs, I'm sure there will be some good games eventually, but there is nothing really 'next gen' so far. Also I don't want PC to held back even more so this gen than the last. That's my opinion, guess what bud, you can't change it.

Some people just can't accept others have different viewpoints, apparently a different viewpoint to spoffle is ignorance or talking smack lol.

 

[Boomstick777]

I can deal with differing opinions no problem, but "MY OPINION" is not a defense for being ignorant and talking rubbish.

People have a right to an informed opinion, yours is not informed, and yes you are just talking smack. You are making claims and claiming that that in itself is "proof".

The point being, you are looking at the specs and comparing them to a PC, you don't do that because that's not how it works.

You've been asked multiple times in this thread about how the PS3 coming out when the 8800GTX came out, and how that's any different to now and you haven't responded to it. So tell me more about how I can't handle opinions that differ from my own, also, define "next gen", as it seems that nearly no one actually knows what it means.

Oh and, consoles don't hold the PC back, consoles have had a lot to do with the progression of the games industry, without consoles games would not be where they are now.

Another thing you are ignorant to, but still try to express authoritative opinions on based solely on your "PC Master Race" membership card.

So spoffle getting more and more personal because my opinion is different to his.

So the mods here think this is ok?

Calling people ignorant etc..

 

[Boomstick777]

Why the **** are people getting so upset over being called ignorant?

Jesus christ people, remove your tampons.

Calling me ignorant because my opinion is different is just weird, then he goes on to say somehow I'm expressing express authoritative opinions on based solely on your "PC Master Race" membership card. Couldn't be more of a personal attack.

I mean really wtf.

So I can't have a different opinion to you spoffle.

If I had done that I would have got a holiday for sure... Ha you gotta love it..

 

[Boomstick777]

No you wouldn't, though suggesting moderator bias is a great way to make friends.

Yeah thanks Dave. Nice one.

 

[Boomstick777]

I am calling you ignorant because the stuff you are posting is ignorant of the truth. You still haven't responded to a question I've asked you about 5 times now.

If the previous generations of consoles were much further on than PCs at the time, then why did the PS3 come out at around the same time as the 8800GTX?

I don't consider your views to be valid opinions because they are not informed, it's just conjecture based on a strong lack of understand what you are talking about.

So he just can't stop lol.

Your calling me ignorant because for some reason my opinion isn't worthy, but yours is...

I don't know how the mods can think this is ok but whatever. I'll reply.

spoffle,

We have a PC, PS3, Wii U, PS Vita, 3DS, 360 etc.. For some reason your opinion above all others is the right one. I'm just another gamer, with consoles and PC, but my opinion is invalidated because yours is superior.

Whatever man, stop posting in this thread if you have a problem with me having a different opinion. At the end of the day that's your problem not mine.

Have a nice day.

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Back on topic, The last of Us 2 is rumored for PS4, that's the type of next gen game I would like to see. Would def pick up a PS4 for that. The current stuff that has been shown is a bit meh.