Universal Remotes - worth it?

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Are they worth it?

I have a media PC with a Microsoft Media Centre remote, Sky+ and then the normal TV remote which also controls my PS3. Its a pain swapping between them so I'm thinking of a universal remote.

Are they any good? Do they fully replace all the functionality of normal remotes? As far as I'm concerned the moment I have to pick up one of the standard remotes to do something the universal remote can't do then its failed, and considering their price I would be rather annoyed.
 
What devices do you have? Are there any features that it can't do that frustrate you?

I actually have more devices than I though. A Sony TV, Xbox 360, Squeezebox Radio, Sky+, Windows PC running XBMC and a PS3 which doesn't support IR so will need to be controlled through HDMI pass through from the TV.
 
have a harmony 1100

tbh go with the harmony one or something else
its ok for me as i dont tend to use numbers, only the d pad and change sound profile on av receiver

annoyances, due to the activity based setup it can be annoying to do something out of the ordinary, i still use the standard remote for deep menu settings

on the plus side..it is totally awesome, especially with the room lights!
 
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I'll let you know when I get my Logitech harmony smart, comes with a remote and even has app for your phone. Will let you know how it goes.
 
Is it even worth looking at non Logitech devices? It seems they lead the market by quite a bit.

It looks like I'd go for either a Touch or a One, although the One still seems to be quite expensive.
 
There must be a reason why everyone goes for Logitech.

I really not seen or heard of anyone recommend another brand.
 
Is it even worth looking at non Logitech devices? It seems they lead the market by quite a bit.

It looks like I'd go for either a Touch or a One, although the One still seems to be quite expensive.

They certainly do at that price point
I think a lot prefer the one but I'd go for the touch as I just personally don't need that many buttons.

Use mine for
Htpc
Lights
TV leds
Av
TV

Usually just use it to turn everything on
Adjust receiver volume
Adjust sound mode on receiver
Different activities include.. Xbox, cinema, lighting


Tend to scroll through wmc channels using free air mouse (also Logitech as it happens)
 
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I've got a Phillips Prestigo SRT815.
It was an absolute, utter pain in the neck finding one (I ended up importing from amazon.de), but the remote itself is lovely :)

My only complaints would be-
No physical color buttons. Not majorly important, but my freesat box makes heavy use of them.
The button backlight only triggers if you hit the touchscreen first. Not majorly important again, but I'd much rather be able to trigger the backlights from a physical button press.

I did look at the Harmony range, but the choice there was either a limit on the number of devices or a full touchscreen (Nasty; You want buttons for viewing in the dark...)

-Leezer-
 
I've got a Phillips Prestigo SRT815.
It was an absolute, utter pain in the neck finding one (I ended up importing from amazon.de), but the remote itself is lovely :)

My only complaints would be-
No physical color buttons. Not majorly important, but my freesat box makes heavy use of them.
The button backlight only triggers if you hit the touchscreen first. Not majorly important again, but I'd much rather be able to trigger the backlights from a physical button press.

I did look at the Harmony range, but the choice there was either a limit on the number of devices or a full touchscreen (Nasty; You want buttons for viewing in the dark...)

-Leezer-

I would absolutely not buy mine if I used channel numbers!
With wmc I only use about 10 channels and they are rearranged at the top
 
I genuinely don't know what the channel number is for any of the channels I regularly watch on Sky. I never type it in, I always browse the guide for them.

Sky uses the colour buttons a lot so they would be a must.

The One still seems to be holding a high price considering its pretty old. You can get a Touch for £110.

I'm just really concerned about dropping a wedge of cash on one and being frustrated by it. The main thing I can't seem to find an answer on is controlling my PS3 through HDMI from the TV? Everything PS3 related just says you need the adapter.
 
I used to have a harmony remote. Now everything I have works off my TV remove over HDMI-CEC, my amp and my HTPC. If I had Sky I'd be happy to used 2 remotes tbh.
 
The thing with Harmony is that if you've no experience of anything better, then what it offers as a brand seems like a big step up from multiple remotes. For what it is, it's inexpensive. It's easy to program thanks mostly to the wizard and online driven programming system. It has macros, and they even have a solution for PS3 Bluetooth.

There are other products around. Philips Prestigio has been mentioned. There's also product from URC and RTI. The latter two are entry-level products in the respective manufacturer's ranges. Those ranges go way above the capabilities of Harmony, and way above in price too. They're products for people who want something more comprehensive and bespoke, and are happy to pay what it costs for that level of customisation.

A big part of the cost of all these solutions is the handset; particularly those with large touch screens. So it makes sense to try and use the sophistication of a smartphone and cut down on a major expense. Several companies have tried marrying app programming with Bluetooth to wireless converters. On the whole these haven't been very successful though.

The best known is perhaps the Gear4 UnityRemote. It's hardware and an app for iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch. The problem with it is two-fold. First, the app feels clunky and disjointed. It's more like a collection of remotes on your iPhone rather than a tailored control solution. Sadly that's the problem when stepping out of the confines of the neat self-contained app world. The number of variables increases at an alarming rate. Suddenly there's issues such as a device didn't respond or something takes too long to change mode so the follow-up codes get ignored.

The second is a problem of maintaining a reliable connection. Bluetooth is okay if two devices can buffer. But when you just want volume down or channel up then you don't want to wait for a handshake because the connection went to sleep. It needs to be instant. The review casts the product in a positive light. However, I have a couple of customers who tried the Gear4 solution themselves. What I have said above is taken from their experiences with the product. When it worked it was okay for basic control. The trouble was the software was too simplistic for more than basic control and trying to maintain a Bluetooth connection and juggling the power drain just proved to be too big a hurdle for reliable operation. Direct infra red from a handset doesn't have these limitations. If you're still keen to try this though, I can put you in touch with one customer who has the UnityRemote languishing unused in his cable box.

Harmony is experimenting with an app solution at the moment. The Harmony Smart combines a conventional remote control with an app for IOS or Android and a mini IR blaster. The idea is to port the control interface to a larger screen. The solution has been available for a year now. The reviews are still mixed. The problem is the same issue that Harmony has with all it's customisable remotes: You have no real control about where buttons end up. There's only so much physical space on a remote. So the touch screens have multiple pages that can be tabbed through to expand the button count. The problem comes when you start to populate those pages. If you need buttons for sound processing, or for picture modes, or just to use something more than the basic device controls, then those buttons could be scattered anywhere throughout the tabbed pages. It then becomes a chore to keep flicking through pages just to change Dolby mode or to call up your Sky favourites channels. Because the software has to be "one size fits all", then it manages never to fit anyone.

Over all though, the budget Harmony remotes do a decent job so long as your needs are simple.
 
CEC is how I control the PS3.

The faff that annoys me is for things like changing from watching something on the Media PC to using Sky+. You have to use the Media remote to turn off the PC, the TV remote to change input, and then the Sky remote to control Sky.

Everything does bits of cross control. The Sky remote controls the TV volume, the Media PC remote controls the TV power and volume. The problem is nothing does everything, and I don't think CEC would cover it all either. It works well for the PS3, but will it control the media PC including turning it on and off? I'm pretty certain it won't work with the Sky+ box either. Definately won't control my Squeezebox.

So while CEC might do some of what I'm after, if it only does half the job then I may as well stick with what I have now.

The Harmony Smart looks interesting, but my major issue with that is that my phone is often nowhere near me when I watch TV. I have the Squeezebox app on it and its a pain as I often end up walking past the Squeezebox to go find my phone :rolleyes:.

A remote would sit on the coffee table and be there all the time, job done.

But £110 for a remote just seems painful :(
 
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