Unsure about Vista
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I have no problems with Vista, apart from Logitech and Creatives absolutely TERRIBLE and DISGRACEFUL driver support. The G15 is marketed as Vista-ready, but has no Vista drivers that work correctly. Work that one out.
Im quite happy with it, i dual boot with XP and havent used XP for oooh, 4-5 days. I find that its fine for gaming and get no worse FPS than with XP. Everthing seems smoother, and it has a rather funky look to it.
Im quite happy with it, i dual boot with XP and havent used XP for oooh, 4-5 days. I find that its fine for gaming and get no worse FPS than with XP. Everthing seems smoother, and it has a rather funky look to it.
depends really what sort of person you are
are you an obsessive tinkerer ? do own anything that maybe doesnt work perfectly but you get a lot of enjoyment out of fixing ?
owning a brand new operating system is a bit like owning a british sports car. Yes it will break and need fixing, yes it will have certain flaws and "quirks" which you have to put up with
but if at the end of the day, your an ethusiast who puts up with whining fan noise in the name of speed or whatever, its not that bad.
if a computer is just a appliance to you, and you turn the system on, play your game, then switch off. Dont bother. its not worth the hassle.
are you an obsessive tinkerer ? do own anything that maybe doesnt work perfectly but you get a lot of enjoyment out of fixing ?
owning a brand new operating system is a bit like owning a british sports car. Yes it will break and need fixing, yes it will have certain flaws and "quirks" which you have to put up with
but if at the end of the day, your an ethusiast who puts up with whining fan noise in the name of speed or whatever, its not that bad.
if a computer is just a appliance to you, and you turn the system on, play your game, then switch off. Dont bother. its not worth the hassle.
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Vista is far from ready for the public IMHO. Much work is to be done. My advise is to wait until you have to get it. Mnay say wait for the first service pack, perhaps, but XP wasn't really upto speed until sp2. Everyone I know personally, including myself has had many issues with it, including those on a brand new Dell which shipped with Vista preinstalled. The M$ fanboys will tell you its due to drivers or "Just not compatible with Vista", while this may have some merit, many of my issues can not be third party related.
? - XP was fine before SP2. Loads of people refused to install it at the time, if you remember. The main improvements were in security, which some found unecessary (and now see the error of their ways!)howiepoohs said:
I'd be interested to know what issues you had with a pre-installed situation - they should've extensively tested the hardware combinations. I've got Vista on a few PCs, and the only problems I've every come up against are driver or app compat. related.
Vista is fine.
Only problems i have with it are my own doing, I.E- disregarding my own advice of "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Same with XP if you didnt fiddle and mess and have yourself convinced you know better than microsoft programers it works flawlessly 100% of the time.
Only problems i have with it are my own doing, I.E- disregarding my own advice of "if it ain't broke don't fix it".
Same with XP if you didnt fiddle and mess and have yourself convinced you know better than microsoft programers it works flawlessly 100% of the time.
howiepoohs said:
Stop the MS fan boys comment as there was no need for it as your labeling everyone who likes Vista a MS fanboy when its most likey that they like vista & not MS at all like me.
But comments like yours is the norm for narrow mined people who lack the skills to search for an answer to a problem & being able to differentiate people who like vista & those who like MS. OH!! i see your using WinXP64...you must be a MS fanboy.
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I love Vista and ditched XP in January when I got my copy of Ultimate X64.
I do everything on it including playing games and any problems I've had have been really easy to work around.
I get sound from my X-Fi, my Radeon X1900 works fine and my Linksys wireless card works with the default Broadcom drivers and the best of it all is that things can only get better as the OS matures.
For what it's worth I think Linksys are even worse than Creative with regard to releasing drivers.
I do everything on it including playing games and any problems I've had have been really easy to work around.
I get sound from my X-Fi, my Radeon X1900 works fine and my Linksys wireless card works with the default Broadcom drivers and the best of it all is that things can only get better as the OS matures.
For what it's worth I think Linksys are even worse than Creative with regard to releasing drivers.
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Final8y said:
No, you have taken it out on context. I was referring to people who claim Vista is not the cause of issues, but 3rd parties. I actually enjoyed using Vista for a couple of months. What I am referring to is a fundimental flaw with memory reading. I use XP 64 because I enjoy gaming, never bothered to learn Linux and want to use all the memory I just forked out for to "Improve" my Vista experince. Big Mistake, it cant handle it so rather than use a rubbish memory config which removes dual channel memory and give rubbish FPS in games I have installed XP 64. Perhaps Vista will improve when the service pack is released, but I for one, will not even boot into it until this issue can be resolved.
I have been using Microsofts products since DOS and have bought every OS since, missed out on ME and Mediacenter and generally find using them OK. I like Vista knobs and whistles, but I and many like me, cant use it in its present state. You only have to "Do a little research" and check the Microsoft discussion forums for 4 gb issues. Yes mine is/was 64 bit.
Narrow minded? Thats a very sweeping statement from someone who knows nothing of me. I have been working solidly on this issue for two weeks now and have given up. I work for a software company, trouble shooting software abd os related issues. When I encountered this issue it was throughly researched, checked, re-installed. I did not give up on Vista lightly, It cost me enough, what with the faster processor, 4 gb of RAM and faster GPU, new PSU. It was a tricky one to pin down as memtest86 ran perfectly for 24 hours as does XP 64, run perfectly. I have invested too much time, effort and money into this to be put down in this manner.
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The 4GB issues are nothing to do with Vista (unless you have some I/O device that uses the bugged Storport driver). It was just little known before Vista that 4 sticks of DDR2 are very hard to get running - no matter what OS you're using.
If you buy 2 sticks of 2GB DDR2 then you will have no problems whatsoever. If you buy 4 sticks of 1GB DDR2 then prepare to be tweaking your BIOS settings for a couple weeks before you get things stable! It could be that you have no problems at all, but it could also be that your system doesn't even POST...
The reason XP x64 appears to run fine is because it doesn't have Superfetch so it takes a lot longer for the OS to encounter a severe memory error whilst in the kernel. In the meantime, while you are waiting for the inevitable, you will just have plenty of user mode software crashes instead.
If you buy 2 sticks of 2GB DDR2 then you will have no problems whatsoever. If you buy 4 sticks of 1GB DDR2 then prepare to be tweaking your BIOS settings for a couple weeks before you get things stable! It could be that you have no problems at all, but it could also be that your system doesn't even POST...
The reason XP x64 appears to run fine is because it doesn't have Superfetch so it takes a lot longer for the OS to encounter a severe memory error whilst in the kernel. In the meantime, while you are waiting for the inevitable, you will just have plenty of user mode software crashes instead.
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I have no problems with Vista.
As people have pointed out - most of the problems you will ever have with any operating system is down to poor support from the manufacturers. You say in your previous post you have a Dell - well I rest my case.
I have tested 4GB of memory myself - and there are no problems what so ever. Played Lord of the Rings, Test Drive Unlimited, Unreal Tournament (original one) and no problems.
As for XP it was fine before SP1 let alone SP2.
Personally if you have newer hardware and good system specs then I'd upgrade - sooner or later you will have to. Lord of the Rings (and pretty much every other new game) intergrates into the Games Explorer which gives a minimum and max rating for the game (which I think is a really good idea) so you will know how it's going to perform before you run it.
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As people have pointed out - most of the problems you will ever have with any operating system is down to poor support from the manufacturers. You say in your previous post you have a Dell - well I rest my case.
I have tested 4GB of memory myself - and there are no problems what so ever. Played Lord of the Rings, Test Drive Unlimited, Unreal Tournament (original one) and no problems.
As for XP it was fine before SP1 let alone SP2.
Personally if you have newer hardware and good system specs then I'd upgrade - sooner or later you will have to. Lord of the Rings (and pretty much every other new game) intergrates into the Games Explorer which gives a minimum and max rating for the game (which I think is a really good idea) so you will know how it's going to perform before you run it.
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NathanE said:
Well its ddr 400, and yes I have been tweeking DRAM timings till my eye blead. 2 indentical matched pairs with check out perfectly in memtest in auto timings and when a loosen the timings further, this I initially thought was the issue. Not after two weeks.
Also it helps to read the posts, I would not been seen dead with a Dell! A mate bought one (poor him) and I helped him fix it.
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Been running Vista for 49 days now.
Not one crash.
Plays games fine
Logitech G15 works fine
X-FI works with the basic drivers from Creative and I will wait for the rest of the software or install youpax if I feel the need.
Not one crash.
Plays games fine
Logitech G15 works fine
X-FI works with the basic drivers from Creative and I will wait for the rest of the software or install youpax if I feel the need.
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Ranting a little on this forum this morning has lead to me kind of solve the issue!
I think I *may* have found a "sort of" work around for this issue. I went to "System config", "boot" and then "advanced". Here there are some nice options to play with, one of which is how much memory you can tell Vista it has at boot up and how many processors. I set my processors to "2" and ticked the box on the ram. After a restart, windows saw my ram as the "magic" 2.75 gb and was stable! With the 4 DIMMS populated with 4*1 gb. So I thought, I will increase this a bit, and pushed it up to 3.25 gb, which again is stable, or so far it seems! I may try and push this to 3.5 gb and see how that goes. This leads me to belive the issue lays once more at the feet of Vista! Cant be driver related or 4 dimm slot related or memory related. Correct me if I am wrong.
I think I *may* have found a "sort of" work around for this issue. I went to "System config", "boot" and then "advanced". Here there are some nice options to play with, one of which is how much memory you can tell Vista it has at boot up and how many processors. I set my processors to "2" and ticked the box on the ram. After a restart, windows saw my ram as the "magic" 2.75 gb and was stable! With the 4 DIMMS populated with 4*1 gb. So I thought, I will increase this a bit, and pushed it up to 3.25 gb, which again is stable, or so far it seems! I may try and push this to 3.5 gb and see how that goes. This leads me to belive the issue lays once more at the feet of Vista! Cant be driver related or 4 dimm slot related or memory related. Correct me if I am wrong.
howiepoohs said:
Surely if you're telling Vista to use less of the ram then it could just not be using the stick that was giving you grief?
More intensive memory usage will show up any problems you have in your memory config. I very much doubt it's a Vista problem.
zaza said:
The only thing I can say - is that if you have to ask - then Vista is currently not for you.
Regardless of the hype, Vista does not really offer a great deal more than XP and if your happy with XP then why bother changing. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Wait until SP1 at least - this way a good majority of the flaws and bugs in VISTA should be ironed out.