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Unsure which graphics card to get

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Basically I've narrowed down my choices to two cards (hopefully)

Its between

KFA2 GeForce GTX 670 EX OC 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

and

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 Windforce 3X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

As far as I can tell form research the only notable difference is the VRAM, it basicly seems to boil down to 2gb vs 4gb.

I'm looking at running two monitors and possibly expanding to SLI when the price drops which is leaning me towards the 4gb.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
whatever you do, don't get an nvidia card because it will wake up in the night and smother your children, set the house on fire, steal the contents of your bank account and make you impotent /comedy


on a more serious note (minus the nvidia bashing that seem de rigeur around here lately)

the windforce is the better card in terms of noise and overclock-ability
4GB cards are for 3 screen tri-sli setups really... you won't notice a difference with 1 or 2 cards on a single monitor (you can't game on 2 screens so it won't affect VRAM usage)

for how long is anyone's guess - the 4GB card might be marginally more "futureproof" but my guess is that you'll run out of GPU power before VRAM

I have 670 2GB SLI on 1440p and it runs great guns, but then I'm not adverse to upgrading to 4GB cards if it became a problem (my experience of selling cards is that you actually don't lose too much if you got a good price in the first place)
 
Always used Nvidia, never really had much of an issue with them hence why I was looking at there cards.

My main thing was I play Eve and tend to dual box on a dual monitor would there been any benefit in the 4gb card for that or would the 2gb handle that perfectly fine?
 
It is in no way nvidia bashing to point out the fact that a 7950 is way cheaper and just as good. Yea at stock clocks the gtx670 is the faster cards but once you OC both cards there performance is near identical.

To the op i would get a 7950 because of the points i just made.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-305-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1673

You would only need to add £80 to get 2 x 7950's that i linked over the kfa card and would be saving over £100 on the windforce.

The gtx670 is way overpriced atm especially on the models you listed.
 
(I have 670 SLI and love it to bits, but if you read through some of the other threads on here there's quite a lot of AMD vs. Nvidia been going on lately)

from what I remember of EVE, it isn't all that much of a resource hog, should be fine with 2 instances open on a single 2GB card - will have a look and see if I can find any info on it specifically
 
On the eve side i reckon any top single card will see you ok. I can run 3 instances on my screen on a 6870 no probs. With 2 screens you will be pushing it more but a top end card should be fine.
 
Have seen the 7950 mentioned a few times in various threads, but never really tried AMD so unsure about it. Mostly had Nividia and never really had any issues with them hence why I was looking at the 670.
 
Another 670 to maybe consider, should you decide to go down this route. Is the MSI 670 Twin Frozr PE. Just bought one myself, arrived today. So far VERY impressed.
- 22C idle (bit nippy up here in Scotland at the moment).
- Max temp of 57C after one hour of Heaven looping.
- Fan noise. What noise. Except on start up when the fan goes into reverse at 100% for 20 seconds (dust removal), it's totally quiet (well to me it is).
Certainly quieter than my MSI 580 Twin Frozr under load. Aluminium case sat on the desk about 2 foot away.
- No coil whine.
- Boosts to 1162Mhz solid under load.
- Latest version of Afterburner unlocks three way voltage control. Though not played with this yet.
- Out of the box as fast as a stock 680 GTX.
- Also looks good and feels well made.
- and £20 cheaper than Gigabyte card. Though this also looks a decent card and I did consider it myself.

Have fun what ever you decide to get :)
 
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Why do people steer off and recommend cards he hasn't put into the equation without asking how he's narrowed it down to these two cards?? It's ridiculous! At least ask before you start recommending 7970's, 7950's, 660Ti's or whatever else you want to throw into the mix....

Basically I've narrowed down my choices to two cards (hopefully)

Its between

KFA2 GeForce GTX 670 EX OC 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

and

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 Windforce 3X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

As far as I can tell form research the only notable difference is the VRAM, it basicly seems to boil down to 2gb vs 4gb.

I'm looking at running two monitors and possibly expanding to SLI when the price drops which is leaning me towards the 4gb.

Any help would be appreciated.

Unless you have a tri-SLI platform (Sandybridge-E) then you are very likely to run out of GPU power on a 2 card SLI set-up before the extra headroom on VRAM comes into play.

I'll try to explain it simply from a minimum settings starting point:

  • You increase settings which increases the amount of work the GPU needs to do and this causes your FPS to decrease (obviously :p)
  • Depending on the setting increased the VRAM usage will also go up
  • In games today - bar an exception or two which I will come to - games will get to the point where the FPS is too low (running out of GPU power) before they can max out the settings which would see them run out of VRAM

Example - BF3 in triple screen mode (used because its VRAM usage AND GPU usage is high):

On an ultra preset, 5800*1080 resolution, with:
- no MSAA: Fine FPS (averaging way above 80) and around 1500MB VRAM used
- 2x MSAA: Fine FPS. Averaging around 60 but with minimums starting to creep around the 40s. Around 1700MB VRAM used
- 4X MSAA: Poor FPS. Minimums in the 20s and averages around 50. The averages are OK but the minimums were game breaking for me. Around 1950MB VRAM used

What you can deduce from this is that yes, it is possible to run out of VRAM with 2GB cards. Nobody here with half a brain will disagree with you there. But I for one do not play with minimum FPS's in the 20's. The FPS in the 20's were caused by running out of GPU power even with 2 heavily overclocked 680's.

I can't run the settings which cause me to get close to the VRAM limit due to unplayable FPS from the lack of GPU power.

My point is on a single monitor set-up then there isn't even really a debate. 2GB is more than enough unless you play a lot of Skyrim with a lot of mods enabled. People like to talk saying it runs of VRAM with 2GB but you must understand that it takes a huge number of mods to cause this. And these are afterall, unofficial mods.

Multi-monitor is a little different but I feel from my testing in BF3 which as mentioned is heavy on the VRAM and GPU that GPU power is going to limit way, way before VRAM does.

Short story, get the 2GB unless you're going tri-SLI and triple screen.
 
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Yer after doing a bit further research I came to the same point that I was probably more likely to run out of GPU "power" before I would run out of VRAM.

Dual SLI was probably as far as I was looking to go, Triple just seems a bit much imo.

I'm quite happy not running on super max settings just really want to upgrade from my current point of where 80% of the time the only way to get semi decent fps is knock every graphic setting to low or off.

As for the 670 vs the 7950 from what I've read out out of the box the 670 is more powerful only after overclocking does the 7950 match or beat it. However what with having limited overclocking experience I was looking for something that would work great out of the box but that I can play with later on and maybe get a bit more out of.
 
Yer after doing a bit further research I came to the same point that I was probably more likely to run out of GPU "power" before I would run out of VRAM.

Dual SLI was probably as far as I was looking to go, Triple just seems a bit much imo.

I'm quite happy not running on super max settings just really want to upgrade from my current point of where 80% of the time the only way to get semi decent fps is knock every graphic setting to low or off.

As for the 670 vs the 7950 from what I've read out out of the box the 670 is more powerful only after overclocking does the 7950 match or beat it. However what with having limited overclocking experience I was looking for something that would work great out of the box but that I can play with later on and maybe get a bit more out of.

The 7950 will match the 670 if you get a superb overclocker and have the cooling to back it up. Otherwise the 670 is simply faster (and more expensive of course).

The 7950 is a really nice option at a far lower price point but you've said yourself you're not looking to overclock it right to wall so it doesn't matter really.
 
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Why do people steer off and recommend cards he hasn't put into the equation without asking how he's narrowed it down to these two cards?? ...

In my case. I was attempting to offer a reasonable alternative that the OP might not have thought about. Especially as the MSI card has not received too much press on this forum yet and in my opinion is at least the equal of the Gigabyte card :)
 
Not to get in a debate, the OP asks for advice on which 670 to get. I would deffo recommend either 2GB versions tbh as both have good names and RMA if ever needed is quite painless.
 
The 7950 will match the 670 if you get a superb overclocker and have the cooling to back it up. Otherwise the 670 is simply faster (and more expensive of course).

The 7950 is a really nice option at a far lower price point but you've said yourself you're not looking to overclock it right to wall so it doesn't matter really.

You said so yourself a 7950 OC can match a 670. You didn't state an OC 670. I'm merely disagreeing that a massive overclock with powerful cooling is neccessary to match it. 1Ghz on core with reference cooler is easy enough to achieve.

Plus its been proven a 7950 has a much larger headroom to overclock so maxed 7950 vs 670 will be pretty much even.
 
You said so yourself a 7950 OC can match a 670. You didn't state an OC 670. I'm merely disagreeing that a massive overclock with powerful cooling is neccessary to match it. 1Ghz on core with reference cooler is easy enough to achieve.

Plus its been proven a 7950 has a much larger headroom to overclock so maxed 7950 vs 670 will be pretty much even.

You're being pedantic now. Comparing an overclocked card versus stock is completely pointless other than giving an idea of where it can sit when overclocked.

The 7950 having a larger overclocking headroom is due to it shipping with a very low clock speed out of the box. I wouldn't say this is advantage. To compare overclocking headroom in this way is also a little pointless.

As I said, a 7950 which achieves a very high overclock will match a similarly clocked 670. I don't know why you're trying to cause a debate when we're effectively saying the same thing?
 
I don't see many 7950's beating many 670's in either the Heaven thread or the 3dmark11 thread.

Heaven 3.0 top scores.

heaventhread.jpg


3dmark11 top scores.

3dmark11scores.jpg


I know these are not representative of games but you do get a good idea of GPU power.
 
The OP says he has limited overclocking experience.

Rusty is saying it needs a massive OC with cooling to back it up for a 7950 to match a 670.

I'm saying a massive OC isn't needed - implying a small one would do and reference cooler is just fine in order to match or beat a stock 670.

If the OP knows he can save more money getting a 7950 and gain similar performance to a stock 670 (which he wasn't going to OC anyway) with relative ease, is it wrong to say so?
 
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