Upcoming M3 chips

HACO said:
Used to be £400 :D
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With that saving you could buy another 512GB of storage, or 4TB+ in nvme drives :p

It’s crazy pricing especially with it being soldered. I’m often maxing out my 16GB on the M1 Pro, but I’d have to get a completely new laptop to upgrade, which would be stupid since the rest of it is still right up there with newer tech.
 
Mesai said:
With that saving you could buy another 512GB of storage, or 4TB+ in nvme drives :p

It’s crazy pricing especially with it being soldered. I’m often maxing out my 16GB on the M1 Pro, but I’d have to get a completely new laptop to upgrade, which would be stupid since the rest of it is still right up there with newer tech.
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They get away with crazy prices because they are soldered, which is also the trend in the Windows laptop market as well.

It's not going to change until we see some EU regulations regarding user upgradeability.
 
HACO said:
They get away with crazy prices because they are soldered, which is also the trend in the Windows laptop market as well.

It's not going to change until we see some EU regulations regarding user upgradeability.
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The GF has a Framework laptop. Despite everything being removable and replaceable, the size is very similar to a MacBook Pro. Somewhere in-between the air and pro.

The bad points are that it's plasticy as kinder egg toy, and Framework haven't really been supportive of issues.
 
Mesai said:
With that saving you could buy another 512GB of storage, or 4TB+ in nvme drives :p

It’s crazy pricing especially with it being soldered. I’m often maxing out my 16GB on the M1 Pro, but I’d have to get a completely new laptop to upgrade, which would be stupid since the rest of it is still right up there with newer tech.
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That's why I got 92gb ram on my m2 max laptop
 
englishpremier said:
This will be another excuse for YouTubers then to label the M1 air as only good enough for taking notes on in class. When a few years ago they were marvelling at being able to edit 8k video. Progress can be a funny thing.

Interesting to see where this is going to go. Sooner or later they will run into a dead end, as both Intel and AMD have at various points in their history.
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Very true, what they were once so chuffed about will of a sudden become not feasible for even the smallest tasks. The Apple chips have already had their big performance leap going from Intel to M1, any increases now are just a small iterative increases in performances and thats all its going to be for the foreseeable future as well.

Still find it funny how they compare their chips to the old 8/9th gen intel chips from several years ago now.. Funny because the equivalent current gen Intel chips actually outperform the M chips in quite a few workloads
 
Cromulent said:
That would be very interesting.
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they did a similar thing with the first M1 chips... used the old designs on the macbook and macbook air. And then the 2nd gen version is where the new designs came out.

They've done a similar thing with the mac pro, using the same old design as before and just the m2 ultra chip, but the m3 mac pro could very likely have a brand new design and the extreme processor
 
Capitano said:
Funny because the equivalent current gen Intel chips actually outperform the M chips in quite a few workloads
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I've not kept up to date, would you mind showing a few examples? Their marketing is making me think that these are top of the line so any comparison for me to see would be great (benchmark/real life) thanks.
 
Gangster said:
I've not kept up to date, would you mind showing a few examples? Their marketing is making me think that these are top of the line so any comparison for me to see would be great (benchmark/real life) thanks.
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iirc each M2 performance core is about halfway between Zen 3 and Zen 4 in terms of performance in most benchmarks. Obviously with Intel and AMD we have CPUs with more cores (at bigger power consumptions, but also with more reasonable prices) so they naturally will outperform the M2 series, especially in desktops.
 
HACO said:
iirc each M2 performance core is about halfway between Zen 3 and Zen 4 in terms of performance in most benchmarks. Obviously with Intel and AMD we have CPUs with more cores (at bigger power consumptions, but also with more reasonable prices) so they naturally will outperform the M2 series, especially in desktops.
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I'm that out of date my main pc is sitting on a 3570k so I have no gauge on how good that is.
 
Gangster said:
I've not kept up to date, would you mind showing a few examples? Their marketing is making me think that these are top of the line so any comparison for me to see would be great (benchmark/real life) thanks.
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Depends which chips you are comparing to in which category. If you want to just look at all out maximum performance then you need to compare the M2 Ultra with the other top end desktop ones from AMD and Intel

M2 Ultra (24 cores) vs 13900K (24 cores) vs 7950X3D (16 cores) - The PC chips outperform in most CPU related real word tests. Where the apple chips do better is in power consumption and obviously apple specific apps.

If you want a rough idea on performance then look up some Cinebench R23 scores to see the difference in levels between them.
 
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