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JABenedicic

JABenedicic

JABenedicic

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Hi,

I've recently started to have some annoying issues such as random crashes/freezes, inability to reliably run SLi, blue/black screens of death.

I'm fairly technical and have tried a lot to resolve the issues, also support from MSI / NV hasn't really got me anywhere. I'm starting to suspect Mobo or RAM as being at fault (although Memtest usually runs fine for 24 hours+).

I have a Z87-G45 & i7 4770k, 32GB Corsair DDR3. (same stuff as sig)

If I'm going about replacing now, what should I get? I game on occasion and I like to have as much available memory as possible as I run a lab in VMware for learning and work.

I'm torn between something like a top X99 or going to the new Z170.

Any advice welcome as always.
 
I wouldn't do either and would get a Z97 board instead. The 4770k isn't going to struggle with anything anytime soon. Have you tried increasing the memory controller voltage (not sure what it's called on MSI boards) as you are running 4x sticks.
 
pastymuncher said:
I wouldn't do either and would get a Z97 board instead. The 4770k isn't going to struggle with anything anytime soon. Have you tried increasing the memory controller voltage (not sure what it's called on MSI boards) as you are running 4x sticks.
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Hadn't thought of changing in the same family tbh, not a bad idea.

I'll look into the voltage, see what the options are. Thanks!
 
Is the system and gpu's overclocked? May be psu related if so. Also what are the error codes for the blue screens you are getting.
 
Current bug checks from today look like this:

4: kd> !analyze -v
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************

MEMORY_MANAGEMENT (1a)
# Any other values for parameter 1 must be individually examined.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000061941, The subtype of the bugcheck.
Arg2: 00007ff9b2b9d920
Arg3: 000000000000001d
Arg4: ffffd00027aa9e40

Debugging Details:
------------------


SYSTEM_SKU: To be filled by O.E.M.

SYSTEM_VERSION: 1.0

BIOS_DATE: 08/07/2014

BASEBOARD_PRODUCT: Z87-G45 GAMING (MS-7821)

BASEBOARD_VERSION: 1.0

BUGCHECK_P1: 61941

BUGCHECK_P2: 7ff9b2b9d920

BUGCHECK_P3: 1d

BUGCHECK_P4: ffffd00027aa9e40

BUGCHECK_STR: 0x1a_61941

CPU_COUNT: 8

CPU_MHZ: dac

CPU_VENDOR: GenuineIntel

CPU_FAMILY: 6

CPU_MODEL: 3c

CPU_STEPPING: 3

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

PROCESS_NAME: MicrosoftEdgeC

CURRENT_IRQL: 0

BAD_PAGES_DETECTED: de

ANALYSIS_VERSION: 10.0.10240.9 amd64fre

LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from fffff8014c17bf8e to fffff8014c15d4d0

STACK_TEXT:
ffffd000`27aa9ce8 fffff801`4c17bf8e : 00000000`0000001a 00000000`00061941 00007ff9`b2b9d920 00000000`0000001d : nt!KeBugCheckEx
ffffd000`27aa9cf0 fffff801`4c1665bd : ffffe001`6fceb840 ffffd000`27aa9ec0 00000000`00000002 ffffe001`658ee9e0 : nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+0xfe8e
ffffd000`27aa9e40 00007ff9`b2b9d920 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiPageFault+0x13d
000000a3`fe4bc668 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : 0x00007ff9`b2b9d920


STACK_COMMAND: kb

SYMBOL_NAME: PAGE_NOT_ZERO

FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: Unknown_Module

IMAGE_NAME: Unknown_Image

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 0

IMAGE_VERSION:

BUCKET_ID: PAGE_NOT_ZERO_0x1a_61941

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: PAGE_NOT_ZERO_0x1a_61941

PRIMARY_PROBLEM_CLASS: PAGE_NOT_ZERO

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: PAGE_NOT_ZERO_0x1a_61941

ANALYSIS_SOURCE: KM

FAILURE_ID_HASH_STRING: km:page_not_zero_0x1a_61941

FAILURE_ID_HASH: {a346325d-960b-89a1-fd98-7fee82d39d26}

Followup: MachineOwner
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*** Memory manager detected 222 instance(s) of page corruption, target is likely to have memory corruption.

Previous ones have been very much consistent with this:

0: kd> !analyze -v
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************

SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (3b)
An exception happened while executing a system service routine.
Arguments:
Arg1: 00000000c0000005, Exception code that caused the bugcheck
Arg2: fffff801f46a673e, Address of the instruction which caused the bugcheck
Arg3: ffffd000228bcf80, Address of the context record for the exception that caused the bugcheck
Arg4: 0000000000000000, zero.

Debugging Details:
------------------


SYSTEM_SKU: To be filled by O.E.M.

SYSTEM_VERSION: 1.0

BIOS_DATE: 08/07/2014

BASEBOARD_PRODUCT: Z87-G45 GAMING (MS-7821)

BASEBOARD_VERSION: 1.0

BUGCHECK_P1: c0000005

BUGCHECK_P2: fffff801f46a673e

BUGCHECK_P3: ffffd000228bcf80

BUGCHECK_P4: 0

EXCEPTION_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000005 - The instruction at 0x%p referenced memory at 0x%p. The memory could not be %s.

FAULTING_IP:
dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal+8a
fffff801`f46a673e 488b88b8070000 mov rcx,qword ptr [rax+7B8h]

CONTEXT: ffffd000228bcf80 -- (.cxr 0xffffd000228bcf80)
rax=0000000048060000 rbx=0000000000000000 rcx=ffffd000228bd930
rdx=0000000000000000 rsi=0000000000000001 rdi=ffffe000286069c0
rip=fffff801f46a673e rsp=ffffd000228bd9a0 rbp=ffffd000228bdb00
r8=ffffe000237d4000 r9=00000000000007ff r10=0000000000000028
r11=ffffd000228bd970 r12=000000007eeec000 r13=0000000000000000
r14=0000000000699300 r15=ffffd000228bdae0
iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na po nc
cs=0010 ss=0018 ds=002b es=002b fs=0053 gs=002b efl=00210206
dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal+0x8a:
fffff801`f46a673e 488b88b8070000 mov rcx,qword ptr [rax+7B8h] ds:002b:00000000`480607b8=????????????????
Resetting default scope

CPU_COUNT: 8

CPU_MHZ: dac

CPU_VENDOR: GenuineIntel

CPU_FAMILY: 6

CPU_MODEL: 3c

CPU_STEPPING: 3

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: WIN8_DRIVER_FAULT

BUGCHECK_STR: 0x3B

PROCESS_NAME: NvBackend.exe

CURRENT_IRQL: 0

ANALYSIS_VERSION: 10.0.10240.9 amd64fre

LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from fffff801f46a669f to fffff801f46a673e

STACK_TEXT:
ffffd000`228bd9a0 fffff801`f46a669f : 00000000`006993c8 00000000`0059fda0 00000000`00000001 00000000`7eeec000 : dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal+0x8a
ffffd000`228bdac0 fffff801`b435a963 : ffffe000`2a884080 00000000`00000000 ffffe000`00000000 ffffe000`2a7a7a10 : dxgkrnl!DxgkNetDispQueryMiracastDisplayDeviceSupport+0x1f
ffffd000`228bdb00 00000000`5be0520a : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!KiSystemServiceCopyEnd+0x13
00000000`0059e598 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : 0x5be0520a


FOLLOWUP_IP:
dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal+8a
fffff801`f46a673e 488b88b8070000 mov rcx,qword ptr [rax+7B8h]

SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 0

SYMBOL_NAME: dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal+8a

FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: dxgkrnl

IMAGE_NAME: dxgkrnl.sys

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 55fa5392

IMAGE_VERSION: 10.0.10240.16515

STACK_COMMAND: .cxr 0xffffd000228bcf80 ; kb

BUCKET_ID_FUNC_OFFSET: 8a

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x3B_dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal

BUCKET_ID: 0x3B_dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal

PRIMARY_PROBLEM_CLASS: 0x3B_dxgkrnl!DxgkMiracastQueryMiracastSupportInternal

ANALYSIS_SOURCE: KM

FAILURE_ID_HASH_STRING: km:0x3b_dxgkrnl!dxgkmiracastquerymiracastsupportinternal

FAILURE_ID_HASH: {41141022-8e90-ade9-81f9-df09b03573c3}

Followup: MachineOwner
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Nothing is OC'd, just stock, but maybe some extra voltage in places would help.
 
3b is usually a lack of vcore. Try increasing a notch or two.

1a memory management is usually a bad stick of ram or lack of dram voltage. As you have run memtest and found no problems try increasing dram voltage a notch or two and the memory controller voltage by the same. Not sure what it's called though. It maybe IO or SA voltages but you may want to wait for someone to confirm this.
 
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