Upgrade advice.

Hi all,

Looking at i9 / motherboard / 32gb ram upgrade for my box,

What would you put in your shopping basket?

Budget around 1200 or less.

Many thanks
 
The 9900K is pretty bad value, but something like this is what I would do if you want it. You will also need a beefy cooler (Dark Rock Pro 4 or D15 etc) or a good 280mm/360mm AIO.


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £900.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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Return to upgrading after release of Zen2 Ryzens if you want longevity... instead of just burning max amount of money.
Intel overprices 9900K grossly for actual performance advantage and future proofness per £ is craptacular.
Last time CPUs had this kind of development was in Core 2 time.

Also RAM price is finally going down to level where it should be.
 
Gotta love computing lol I been waiting forever and there is always something around the corner :)

Thanks for the info.... are you saying the i9 price will drop as rightly or wrongly I am an intel snob and this box is nearly 10 years old!
 
If Ryzen 3 lives up to the hype, Intel will have no choice but to cut prices if AMD brings 8-12 core chips to the masses at similar speeds to the i9 9900k, which is what is rumoured.

So yes, you may get the cheaper Intel deal. I'm not a snob of either, I'm looking to get a Ryzen 3 if they are as good as is thought they'll be.
 
jaydam said:
Gotta love computing lol I been waiting forever and there is always something around the corner :)

Thanks for the info.... are you saying the i9 price will drop as rightly or wrongly I am an intel snob and this box is nearly 10 years old!
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Actually since that Sandy Bridge and to 2017 there wasn't much of real things around the corner and high end CPU stayed high end for many years.
And since that Intel has been more interested on pumping butts of users... err price tags than providing real performance/cores per money advance.
Actually Intel's CPUs are all rehashing of same 2015 6th gen Skylake architecture...
With new motherboard need being completely artificial and Intel just butt raping and robbing consumers:
https://www.techpowerup.com/250109/...0-ghz-overclock-on-a-z170-chipset-motherboard

And with whole lots of vulnerabilitites from lots of very old design parts in architecture.
Just Google for Meltdown, Spectre, Foreshadow and Spoiler.
With all the money and resources you would have thought Intel to have fixed those short cuts in speculative code execution.


Only thing which saved Intel is that for first gen Zen architecture AMD was stuck with second rate GlobalFoundries, who uses originally Samsung's tech designed for phone/tablet CPUs.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/14_nm_lithography_process#Samsung
That has limited clock speeds and single core/thread performance behind Intel.

Zen2 computing dies are made by TSMC on more modern than Intels 7nm High Performance node designed for high performance parts from the start.
In CES AMD demoed engineering sample matching 9900K's processing power at ~50W lower system power consumption.
Also chiplet design rumoured in last December got confirmed.
Shown CPU package had empty spot the size of another 8 core computing die and AMD strongly hinted about pushing forward in core counts and performance per price.
So 8 core/16 thread model is likely sub £250 mainstream model, with hundred more getting 12 cores/24 threads.

Though I don't see Intel being in hurry to lower prices to real value level, when people just ask more raping&robbery.

At least launch of Zen2 Ryzen line up should be in Computex.
Apparently it has been getting PCI-express v4.0 chipsets ready for new motherboards which has delayed release.
 
So with that said! Will the new ryzen be better by a country mile?

Or are we just keeping up with the Joneses and talking about pricing?

Surely intels power and product placement and performance will keep pricing up there and this is all speculation.?
 
Do a bit of reading up on the Internet, the newer Ryzens look like they'll easily compete with Intel's current high end.

And I wouldn't count on Intel having anything in return immediately, this may be like when the Athlon 64 debuted. Either way, best to wait a few months, see what Ryzen 3's release does for prices.
 
EsaT said:
Actually since that Sandy Bridge and to 2017 there wasn't much of real things around the corner and high end CPU stayed high end for many years.
And since that Intel has been more interested on pumping butts of users... err price tags than providing real performance/cores per money advance.
Actually Intel's CPUs are all rehashing of same 2015 6th gen Skylake architecture...
With new motherboard need being completely artificial and Intel just butt raping and robbing consumers:
https://www.techpowerup.com/250109/...0-ghz-overclock-on-a-z170-chipset-motherboard

And with whole lots of vulnerabilitites from lots of very old design parts in architecture.
Just Google for Meltdown, Spectre, Foreshadow and Spoiler.
With all the money and resources you would have thought Intel to have fixed those short cuts in speculative code execution.


Only thing which saved Intel is that for first gen Zen architecture AMD was stuck with second rate GlobalFoundries, who uses originally Samsung's tech designed for phone/tablet CPUs.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/14_nm_lithography_process#Samsung
That has limited clock speeds and single core/thread performance behind Intel.

Zen2 computing dies are made by TSMC on more modern than Intels 7nm High Performance node designed for high performance parts from the start.
In CES AMD demoed engineering sample matching 9900K's processing power at ~50W lower system power consumption.
Also chiplet design rumoured in last December got confirmed.
Shown CPU package had empty spot the size of another 8 core computing die and AMD strongly hinted about pushing forward in core counts and performance per price.
So 8 core/16 thread model is likely sub £250 mainstream model, with hundred more getting 12 cores/24 threads.

Though I don't see Intel being in hurry to lower prices to real value level, when people just ask more raping&robbery.

At least launch of Zen2 Ryzen line up should be in Computex.
Apparently it has been getting PCI-express v4.0 chipsets ready for new motherboards which has delayed release.
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Can't really argue with any of that.
 
jaydam said:
So with that said! Will the new ryzen be better by a country mile?

Or are we just keeping up with the Joneses and talking about pricing?

Surely intels power and product placement and performance will keep pricing up there and this is all speculation.?
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enable M.C.E and should manually hit 4.9ghz all cores

save some cash, if you need wifi then look for Pro Wifi version

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £721.06 (includes shipping: £11.10)


aorus x570 Line up is slightly improved on the above z390 Aorus boards. all I'll say on that part :)

if you can hold out for June and then release in July, great- can compare the two . Intel doesn't drop pricing! Resellers do! What intel and Nvidia normally do is add gaming bundles - One to Two free games​
 
jaydam said:
So with that said! Will the new ryzen be better by a country mile?
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Ability to gain advantage in single core/thread performance is yet open.
Though Zen2's per clock performance increase over Zen+ is more than Intel has managed in five years combined and it shouldn't need to exceed Intel in clocks.

But in power efficiency and total performance/cores per money Intel is certainly going to get trashed.
AMD can release 16 core/32 thread monster as top model and Intel has no answer to that in near future.
(that's more like what £500 should give)
Besides sitting on same old architecture Intel has completely bungled up their manufacturing tech advance and are behind TSMC.
And actual full load power consumption at hyped high boost clocks is far above PR BS TDP.

the Core i9-9900K gets super hot faced with Prime95 and AVX instructions (205W stock, 250W overclocked), exceeding the specified TDP. We measured 137W (232W) during the Cinebench test, and we topped 145W (241W overclocked) under the larger Blender workload. We even pushed past 120W (198W overclocked) with various CAD plug-ins for Creo and SolidWorks
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900k-9th-gen-cpu,5847-11.html​

9700K isn't that far behind in what power it's capable to sucking:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-9700k-9th-gen-cpu,5876-2.html
Their TDPs are basically equal to downhill in tailwind fuel consumption measurements of modern cars.


Anyway increases in single core performance are going to be very hard to achieve.
Because of current materials limiting clock speeds (without breaking power consumption records) and time of transistor budget rise giving automatic performance boost being far behind.
So for major advances games are going to have to increase number of heavily utilized cores beyond few.

And that's certainly going to happen fast when it starts.
Next-gen consoles are very likely coming with Zen2 based 8 core/16 thread CPU.
(huge jump from tablet level cores when new of current consoles)
That'll kickstart advance of game development after long stagnation caused by Intel.
Who kept more than four threads as expensive high end and cheap market PC CPUs at two cores.

And that's just top of the iceberg of how much Intel has harmed interest of consumers and gamers.
With their market position being result of lots of dirty and some straight illegal tricks to avoid honest and real competition:
http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/intel-and-the-x86-architecture-a-legal-perspective
 
Thanks for your detailed replies guys.

I’m going to ponder on what’s needed here.....

As mentioned I’m an intel snob and have saved the monies to go ahead so I’m now in limbo.

It looks like my other thread has been removed to see if anyone has any feedback on ocuk’s overclocking services,

Has anyone used them before ?
 
jaydam said:
intel snob
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Pity you. Hope you got copious amounts of lube at the ready. And whatever you do, don't pick the soap bar up. :)

jaydam said:
if anyone has any feedback on ocuk’s overclocking services,
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As far as I'm aware, ocuk don't overclock custom specs. If you meant getting a pre overclocked bundle, I'd suggest against it. Reason being is that all the chips are binned. So if you get a low clocker...you know you have a duff chip. Paying ocuk for losing the #siliconlottery...lol...makes no sense whatsoever.
Perfectly exemplified by the link in your original post :D
 
Ask yourself this, if all you do is play games then what is going to allow you a better experience in those games and the resolution you want to play at? Do you really want to spend £900 on a parts that are going to give you a 10% increase in FPS, or if you were say running something like a GTX 1070 and 4K monitor, buying an RTX 2080/Ti and actually achieve 60FPS in 4K (some games) on your current system.

So many people play games, games, games, and spend £400-500 on a CPU, and have spent less on the graphics card which is just a bit mental especially especially at 1440p+. A low-mid CPU at 1/3 cost might not last 10 years, but they cost £150-200, and will run most cards/games well.

I will echo what others have said, regardless of your snobbery (I'd call it idiocy, as any brand loyalty is as a consumer is dumb - you should by what is best, not what has the right name on it) wait until the Ryzen 3000 launch in May/June, if you've waited this long then does another 30-60 days matter?
 
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